Is the SSS inheritable? Had this question come to mind, when it comes to the Super-Soldier Serum is the effect of it genetic or does it simply embed itself in a cell so that it becomes self-replicating so that even though it isn't genetic per-say it can still be passed on to offspring? If it were inheritable like that while it would take time eventually the entire human race could effectively inherit it and become natural super-soldiers from birth. https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41069#msg-41069 Wed, 15 May 2024 11:13:31 -0600 Phorum 5.2.22 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86032#msg-86032 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86032#msg-86032 Howlet General Discussion Mon, 18 Mar 2024 19:18:56 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86019#msg-86019 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86019#msg-86019
Marvel seems to be a bit hesitant to really answer that question for the 616 universe. Other Universes do have Meta-children from Meta-parents (MC2 for instance has a whole host of them). In 616 we do have Franklin and Valerie Richards. It would suggest to me that that would make them Mutants, but Marvel keeps side-stepping, back-tracking, and dancing around that.

As I understand; In Marvel Lore, The Celestials came to Earth a million years ago (give or take) and experimented on our predecessors (probably Homo heidelbergensis). They created Eternals (Homo immortalis), Deviants (H. descendus), and added into the H. sapiens genes the ability for us to become meta-humans (rather than, say, get hit by radiation from a Gamma Bomb and instantly die!). And they also added the X-Gene, creating Mutants (Homo superior).

Going by that lore and logic, I would say it's totally possible that Captain America, and really any meta-human,would be able to pass down their superpowers. Whether they would be considered H. superior, or something more like a "Breed Mutant" along the lines of the Inhumans (inhomo supremis) or Atlanteans (h. mermanus), is an open question. I'd argue that if they pass-on their specific powers - like, say Captain America's physical perfection or Spider-Man's spider-powers (or Nick Fury's superior physical abilities and retarded ageing), then they'd be the first of a line of "Breed Mutants". But, if the children just randomly gained metahuman abilities, then they'd be classified as H. superior.

But that's just how things work in MY Marvel Universe (Marvel 9653). Your mileage may differ.]]> RangerMatthias General Discussion Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:39:39 -0700 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86014#msg-86014 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86014#msg-86014 but that i think is the negative side effect of having so many non vita ray treatment of the SSS they done through out the comics, that it not a key component anymore.]]> MajorSteel General Discussion Sun, 03 Mar 2024 16:43:39 -0700 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86006#msg-86006 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86006#msg-86006
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G.A.W.
Maybe a less effective version of the SSS. - Didn't Nick Fury have a " watered down " version?

Yes, something called the Infinity serum I think, mostly to extend lifespan and maintain physical abilities as one ages. But apparently it's also a secret and I seem to remember a storyarc of someone wanting to catch and drain Nick to be able to replicate the pure formula as his body after repeated exposure started to naturally produce it.]]> Nightmask General Discussion Wed, 07 Feb 2024 03:03:14 -0700 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86005#msg-86005 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86005#msg-86005
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I wonder about this recently, since this was posted 11 years ago... what about blood transfusion/

I seem to remember that supposedly a transfusion from someone with a variant of the serum gave some kid hero who was descended from the recipient the benefits of the SSS but haven't actually read that to be sure. I am curious if that's something that'd work permanent or if it'd act like a temporary deal and require repeated transfusions to maintain.]]> Nightmask General Discussion Wed, 07 Feb 2024 03:01:15 -0700 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86003#msg-86003 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,86003#msg-86003 G.A.W. General Discussion Fri, 02 Feb 2024 14:03:18 -0700 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,85991#msg-85991 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,85991#msg-85991 MajorSteel General Discussion Thu, 01 Feb 2024 18:24:16 -0700 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41213#msg-41213 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41213#msg-41213 -------------------------------------------------------
> Abub Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I thought he did there for a while lose the SSS
> > effects. I maybe just thought I heard that
> cause
> > all my comics are old dollar books.
>
> Marvel overreacted to some idiot who said 'Cap's a
> steroid freak!' and had a storyarc where he was
> exposed to Meth and it supposedly bonded to his
> SSS leaving him requiring a total blood
> replacement to cure the problem. Then he spend a
> few issues having to work out constantly to
> maintain himself but didn't take long for a writer
> to go 'well Steve it looks like your body
> naturally produces the SSS now and you've
> completely replenished your normal levels of SSS
> since the transfusion'.

Or maybe the meth mutated Cap further to begin producing the SSS.... :P

Odd that Marvel would seek to dispel the Roid theory with a blood scrubbing.]]> Dead Sidekick General Discussion Mon, 06 Jun 2011 01:53:59 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41205#msg-41205 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41205#msg-41205 -------------------------------------------------------
> I thought he did there for a while lose the SSS
> effects. I maybe just thought I heard that cause
> all my comics are old dollar books.

Marvel overreacted to some idiot who said 'Cap's a steroid freak!' and had a storyarc where he was exposed to Meth and it supposedly bonded to his SSS leaving him requiring a total blood replacement to cure the problem. Then he spend a few issues having to work out constantly to maintain himself but didn't take long for a writer to go 'well Steve it looks like your body naturally produces the SSS now and you've completely replenished your normal levels of SSS since the transfusion'.]]> Nightmask General Discussion Mon, 06 Jun 2011 00:54:35 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41202#msg-41202 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41202#msg-41202 Abub General Discussion Mon, 06 Jun 2011 00:44:27 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41180#msg-41180 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41180#msg-41180 Can Rogers breed with a normal woman?
If this were an SF novel, I'd say no, citing rabbits and hares, frogs and toads.
But this is comics, so why not?
We have seen one offspring of Rogers, Reb Brown as Steve Rogers Jr in the 1979 CBS pilot "Captain America." Not canon, of course, and he still needed an injection of the S3 to attain the familiar physical enbhancements.
I'd allow Rogers can produce offspring BUT the offspring will be infertile. Think of the interesting offspring of horses and zebra.
]]> DavidEMartin General Discussion Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:13:10 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41158#msg-41158 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41158#msg-41158 So based on this I am gonna say it would.
Hope this help NM :)]]> monkeywrench General Discussion Sat, 04 Jun 2011 17:55:18 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41125#msg-41125 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41125#msg-41125 -------------------------------------------------------
> Well, he's not here to defend himself or offer
> counterpoints.
>
> And it was cool when he was.

I've never had a problem with people expressing differing opinions, everyone agreeing is boring and you go 'why am I here? I'm just hearing myself echoing', well except for those who like to hear 'yes you're the greatest' all the time but not of appeal to myself. Always glad to see people speaking up and contributing even if they disagree with me.]]> Nightmask General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:38:57 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41122#msg-41122 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41122#msg-41122
And it was cool when he was.]]> Dead Sidekick General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:17:31 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41120#msg-41120 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41120#msg-41120 -------------------------------------------------------
> Nightmask Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Awww, that's so nice of you, posting a reply in
> > memory of our departed forum member capo. :)-D
>
> Cap, not Capo LOL!
>
> (I miss Capo as well...)

Well I don't miss his 'I'm the keeper of canon you must obey me' and taking the other side just to argue against me but when he wasn't behaving like that he did have some very good feedback and comments.]]> Nightmask General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:56:43 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41119#msg-41119 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41119#msg-41119 -------------------------------------------------------
> Dead Sidekick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > thejackolantern Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I think that most versions, the Super Soldier
> > > Serum fundamentally altered Steve Rogers on a
> > > genetic level, and it has been the balance of
> > most
> > > writers (Including Mark Gruenwald) that
> Steve's
> > > children would inherit that uplifted
> physiology.
> > I
> > > agree that it depends on the writer, but so
> > far
> > > it has been shown to be a genetic thing as
> well
> > as
> > > a benefit from the Vita-Rays.
> >
> > You won't catch me arguing with the prophet
> Mark
> > Gruenwald (peace be upon him). If he said Cap's
> > kids would be super-soldier enhanced, its set
> in
> > stone,
>
> Awww, that's so nice of you, posting a reply in
> memory of our departed forum member capo. :)-D

Cap, not Capo LOL!

[I miss Capo as well...]]]> Dead Sidekick General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:41:30 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41115#msg-41115 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41115#msg-41115 -------------------------------------------------------
> thejackolantern Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think that most versions, the Super Soldier
> > Serum fundamentally altered Steve Rogers on a
> > genetic level, and it has been the balance of
> most
> > writers (Including Mark Gruenwald) that Steve's
> > children would inherit that uplifted physiology.
> I
> > agree that it depends on the writer, but so
> far
> > it has been shown to be a genetic thing as well
> as
> > a benefit from the Vita-Rays.
>
> You won't catch me arguing with the prophet Mark
> Gruenwald (peace be upon him). If he said Cap's
> kids would be super-soldier enhanced, its set in
> stone,

Awww, that's so nice of you, posting a reply in memory of our departed forum member capo. :)-D]]> Nightmask General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:02:31 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41109#msg-41109 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41109#msg-41109 -------------------------------------------------------
> I agree with DS
>
> Cap is shooting blanks. His blanks can still stun
> and slam oppenents regardless of the target's
> endurance and he can shoot three of them in one
> round on a green feat.

ROFLMAO!]]> Dead Sidekick General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:39:10 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41108#msg-41108 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41108#msg-41108 -------------------------------------------------------
> I think that most versions, the Super Soldier
> Serum fundamentally altered Steve Rogers on a
> genetic level, and it has been the balance of most
> writers (Including Mark Gruenwald) that Steve's
> children would inherit that uplifted physiology. I
> agree that it depends on the writer, but so far
> it has been shown to be a genetic thing as well as
> a benefit from the Vita-Rays.

You won't catch me arguing with the prophet Mark Gruenwald (peace be upon him). If he said Cap's kids would be super-soldier enhanced, its set in stone,

> I know that in the case of Ultimate Cap, the
> second generation of children born from the Super
> Soldiers were superior genetically than their
> parents, but Ultimate Cap sucks.

Heh.]]> Dead Sidekick General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:38:01 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41103#msg-41103 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41103#msg-41103 StrykerSigma General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:23:29 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41101#msg-41101 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41101#msg-41101
I know that in the case of Ultimate Cap, the second generation of children born from the Super Soldiers were superior genetically than their parents, but Ultimate Cap sucks.]]> thejackolantern General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:20:56 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41100#msg-41100 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41100#msg-41100
Cap is shooting blanks. His blanks can still stun and slam oppenents regardless of the target's endurance and he can shoot three of them in one round on a green feat.

Are their any comics or What-Ifs with him having kids? And didn't he lose the SSS once?]]> Abub General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:36:08 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41089#msg-41089 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41089#msg-41089 -------------------------------------------------------
> It is if the writer says it is.

It seems like the writers in general seem to think that its impact on him extends to the genetic level. I haven't seen a what-if featuring kids for Cap (rare as they are) that hasn't shown his child or children being physically perfect.]]> Nightmask General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:24:39 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41087#msg-41087 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41087#msg-41087 -------------------------------------------------------
> It is if the writer says it is.

..and has someone bear Cap a physically perfect infant child that automatically knows how to fly a Quinjet. :P]]> Dead Sidekick General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:09:37 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41085#msg-41085 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41085#msg-41085 ThatArtGuy General Discussion Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:03:21 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41070#msg-41070 Re: Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41070#msg-41070
Certainly Cap's physiology would be good to clone or extract mutagenic properties from to genetically engineer changes in others, but I think reproductively Cap's either shooting blanks or producing sperm that would make more scrawny, skinny runts.

Scrawny skinny runts that could survive the SSS transformation, mind you...]]> Dead Sidekick General Discussion Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:28:06 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41069#msg-41069 Is the SSS inheritable? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,41069,41069#msg-41069 Nightmask General Discussion Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:27:37 -0600