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Energy absorption (kinetic) seems like a very strong defense. Punches, kicks, thrown objects, bullets, and even explosions all rely on kinetic energy to do damage. If this toon not only absorbs kinetic energy but converts it to health, how is anyone supposed to prove to be a danger to him?

Would slashing or stabbing present a problem? After all, both require kinetic energy to pierce the skin.

What about throwing the character himself? Or would he simply stop and be on the ground unscathed?

I would imagine energy attacks do not rely on kinetic energy to do damage but none of this toon's opponents have weapons like that.

Another aspect of the power I need clarification on is whether the toon that has the power has to concentrate to use it or is it "on" all the time? Even when he's asleep? Even when an opponent successfully sneaks up on him and attempts to knock him out with a blunt strike to the bank of his head?

If the power is on all the time, then how could he even walk or move? If it only affects things outside his body then what about when he rides a bike? Wouldn't he suck the kinetic energy out of the bike effectively making it impossible for him to ride?

I don't intend to push anything to that extreme, but if the power is on all the time and works to defend him, then I'm back to my original query: what kinds of mundane attacks would actually work? A drill? Could someone put a blade to him and simply add pressure until it pierces the skin? What about dragging a sharp blade across his skin?

I don't mean to sound so gruesome, but if the players aren't challenged in some way simply because they've chosen powers that protect the too well, then the campaign we just started isn't going to last very long.

At this point, consider me a newb. Any guidance would be appreciated.

Look at Sebastian Shaw, aka the Black King since his power is Kinetic Absorption, it's on all the time, and it doesn't just automatically heal him it also improves his Strength and Health as he absorbs energy. Prior to the power creep or failure of some writers to understand he couldn't absorb anything else he was still vulnerable to things like electricity (albeit with a fairly good pool of health thanks to his power), he could still be affected by cold and suffocation (Storm basically defeated him by using her powers to lower the oxygen levels in the room while simultaneously generating blizzard conditions), same with drugs, telepathic attacks, and so on.

This was excellent. Thank you!

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Energy absorption (kinetic) seems like a very strong defense. Punches, kicks, thrown objects, bullets, and even explosions all rely on kinetic energy to do damage. If this toon not only absorbs kinetic energy but converts it to health, how is anyone supposed to prove to be a danger to him?

Would slashing or stabbing present a problem? After all, both require kinetic energy to pierce the skin.

What about throwing the character himself? Or would he simply stop and be on the ground unscathed?

I would imagine energy attacks do not rely on kinetic energy to do damage but none of this toon's opponents have weapons like that.

Another aspect of the power I need clarification on is whether the toon that has the power has to concentrate to use it or is it "on" all the time? Even when he's asleep? Even when an opponent successfully sneaks up on him and attempts to knock him out with a blunt strike to the bank of his head?

If the power is on all the time, then how could he even walk or move? If it only affects things outside his body then what about when he rides a bike? Wouldn't he suck the kinetic energy out of the bike effectively making it impossible for him to ride?

I don't intend to push anything to that extreme, but if the power is on all the time and works to defend him, then I'm back to my original query: what kinds of mundane attacks would actually work? A drill? Could someone put a blade to him and simply add pressure until it pierces the skin? What about dragging a sharp blade across his skin?

I don't mean to sound so gruesome, but if the players aren't challenged in some way simply because they've chosen powers that protect the too well, then the campaign we just started isn't going to last very long.

At this point, consider me a newb. Any guidance would be appreciated.

Look at Sebastian Shaw, aka the Black King since his power is Kinetic Absorption, it's on all the time, and it doesn't just automatically heal him it also improves his Strength and Health as he absorbs energy. Prior to the power creep or failure of some writers to understand he couldn't absorb anything else he was still vulnerable to things like electricity (albeit with a fairly good pool of health thanks to his power), he could still be affected by cold and suffocation (Storm basically defeated him by using her powers to lower the oxygen levels in the room while simultaneously generating blizzard conditions), same with drugs, telepathic attacks, and so on.

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Energy absorption (kinetic) seems like a very strong defense. Punches, kicks, thrown objects, bullets, and even explosions all rely on kinetic energy to do damage. If this toon not only absorbs kinetic energy but converts it to health, how is anyone supposed to prove to be a danger to him?

Would slashing or stabbing present a problem? After all, both require kinetic energy to pierce the skin.

What about throwing the character himself? Or would he simply stop and be on the ground unscathed?

I would imagine energy attacks do not rely on kinetic energy to do damage but none of this toon's opponents have weapons like that.

Another aspect of the power I need clarification on is whether the toon that has the power has to concentrate to use it or is it "on" all the time? Even when he's asleep? Even when an opponent successfully sneaks up on him and attempts to knock him out with a blunt strike to the bank of his head?

If the power is on all the time, then how could he even walk or move? If it only affects things outside his body then what about when he rides a bike? Wouldn't he suck the kinetic energy out of the bike effectively making it impossible for him to ride?

I don't intend to push anything to that extreme, but if the power is on all the time and works to defend him, then I'm back to my original query: what kinds of mundane attacks would actually work? A drill? Could someone put a blade to him and simply add pressure until it pierces the skin? What about dragging a sharp blade across his skin?

I don't mean to sound so gruesome, but if the players aren't challenged in some way simply because they've chosen powers that protect the too well, then the campaign we just started isn't going to last very long.

At this point, consider me a newb. Any guidance would be appreciated.

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Also, the movies always tend to stray from the source material to varying degrees, as evidenced by the appearance of Deadpool in Wolverine: Origins. They take ideas from the comics and either underplay or overplay them in the movies to suit whatever story they want to tell and the source material be damned, because they know the fanboys will be able to accept any half-hearted rationalization the movie makes for the changes.

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If there was one power, origin, or ability you could add to the UPB what would it be?

Is there a power you would assurance chat rewrite if given the ability to do so?

Hello!
I just want to know why Logan Had lost immortality in the last movie!?
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If there was one power, origin, or ability you could add to the UPB what would it be?

Is there a power you would assurance chat rewrite if given the ability to do so?

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I was just asking Thrud, I had never seen it done quite that way and was curious as to your reasoning or if you were using some sort of house rules.

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So you would allow stuns and slams to occur regardless of damage, but completely invalidate the yellow and red FEAT roll of a shooting attack based on damage? Would you make the same ruling against the use of claws and edged attacks?

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Yes, burst attacks can affect more targets, but the question was about how it affects one target.

Exploding bullets, like armor piercing rounds, are another way to affect damage without making permanent modifications to a weapon.

As for whether or not the bullets would inflict a kill check against someone with no damage dealt, I would say no. I do allow for stuns and slam results on attacks that deal the same damage as the target's body armor rank, but that's because the hits are strong enough that the target can feel them and could be knocked senseless. A bullet attack might sting, and a bullseye result is possible if it makes a difference where it hits, but unless it's dealing damage I don't see how a kill result is possible.

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I'm not David, but let me see if I can help you figure this out.

Machine guns fire in bursts per turn. Each burst of bullets deals damage as a total effect rather than each individual bullet. So if the weapon has Remarkable (30) damage, then however many bullets are fired as a burst deals 30 damage to a target on a successful hit. Can you choose how many bullets to fire in a burst to increase or decrease this? I don't believe so; and the amount of bullets used may vary from weapon to weapon.

30 points of damage is standard for machine guns, even of different designs with different caliber bullets. Maybe the bigger bullets are firing at a slower rate than machine guns with smaller bullets, allowing more smaller bullets to add up to the same damage as the bigger ones. The damage ratings are intended to be generic this way for simplicity's sake. However, there are rules in place which could increase the damage rating, such as explosive ammo, or a specially modified weapon. Modifications require Reason FEATs to effectively rebuild existing tech better than it was, so any modified weapon is a unique piece of equipment and not subject to the generic weapons damage rating.

Is super strength a power? Yes and no... and also yes. In the comics, cartoons, movies, and pretty much any other medium, if someone has greater than normal strength it's considered a power (perhaps even their only power). However, by game rules, Primary Abilities are not powers, only powers are powers. But there is also a Hyper-Strength power which boosts the Primary Ability, and that counts as a power. So if your character has a flat rank of Amazing (50) Strength and is hit with a power neutralizer that has no defined effect on Primary Abilities, then the strength is not affected by the power neutralizer. If you add Hyper-Strength into that equation, then the character is likely to lose his Hyper-Strength power but still retain his base Strength rank. Of course, the power neutralizer could also be designed so that it applies a column shift penalty to Primary Abilities and then it would affect both power and Strength.

A machine gun deals Remarkable (30) damage, so shooting a character with Amazing rank armor is not going to affect that character. Even if the bullets were armor piercing rounds (which reduces armor effectiveness by -2CS), it won't damage the armored character because Amazing -2 column shifts is still Remarkable. The Judge may decide that damage that equals the effective armor rank may sting or leave welts on the character because it's doing enough damage where it's just enough to be felt but not enough to cause real damage to the character... it might be the same kind of pain of someone flicking their finger against your ear really hard --hurts, but it isn't going to cause a point of damage; in this case it's just an over-stimulation of the nerve endings.