Exploiting Autograph Karma??? Anyone make players roll a Popularity roll ( at least a green result ) to get autographs for More karma??? Just hand wave? Are there any superheros with feeble ( 2 ) popularity that are mainstream and would want / willing to sign autographs ? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85767#msg-85767 Mon, 13 May 2024 20:27:01 -0600 Phorum 5.2.22 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85837#msg-85837 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85837#msg-85837
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Also from the Basic Set
  • Make a paid appearance (5 karma per)...supers job could literally be making paid appearances
  • Spend a week with family (15-25 points)...does extended family count?

OH...WOW...just noticed Charity Donation in the Revised Basic Set gives you + your resource rank for a donation...the rich get richer!
The only problem with paid appearances are those supers with secret identities...

As for spending time with family and does extended family count? I would say absolutely. It has heroes doing positive stuff for the people in their lives, and sometimes it can mean the world to some people when distant family reconnects.

This is why you setup things like "The Avengers Foundation". Check doesn't need to be made out to a person....]]> barna10 General Discussion Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:40:44 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85833#msg-85833 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85833#msg-85833
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Also from the Basic Set
  • Make a paid appearance (5 karma per)...supers job could literally be making paid appearances
  • Spend a week with family (15-25 points)...does extended family count?

OH...WOW...just noticed Charity Donation in the Revised Basic Set gives you + your resource rank for a donation...the rich get richer!
The only problem with paid appearances are those supers with secret identities...



As for spending time with family and does extended family count? I would say absolutely. It has heroes doing positive stuff for the people in their lives, and sometimes it can mean the world to some people when distant family reconnects.]]> Thrudjelmer General Discussion Wed, 09 Aug 2023 13:55:17 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85823#msg-85823 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85823#msg-85823
If one's family is scattered around, you could spend time with each one separately and simultaneously, maybe toss in a few close friends as well.

Imagine the karma possibilities of duplication plus disguise powers... might be a bit tricky getting legit IDs for them all.

Which raises another karma question: if such a duplicate/disguise super were to commit the criminal act of obtaining false IDs, or even the morally questionable action of taking over the IDs of recently deceased... does it count as continued criminal activity for karma purposes if one continues to use such IDs?]]> nijineko General Discussion Sat, 05 Aug 2023 15:43:46 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85819#msg-85819 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85819#msg-85819
Having Artist Talent you gain Karma for simply working a week (20-30 dupes all drawing everyday)

Or, simply commit to doing things, like working at soup kitchens all across the city. Keeping a weekly commitment is worth 5 Karma per commitment, no maximum.

Scenarios like these stretch the imagination less and are easy to calculate how long it would take to get to Karma total X.

Or...if you really want....the Basic Set had a reward for going on a date...speed dating with 30 of yourselves? (2-20 karma per date)

Also from the Basic Set
  • Make a paid appearance (5 karma per)...supers job could literally be making paid appearances
  • Help a friend in need (5-20 karma)...just make LOTS of friends (Facebook friends count?)
  • Get together with friends (5 karma)...have firends in lots of places, or in lots of virtual places
  • Make charity appearance (30 KARMA!) ... this could rack-up fast!
  • Spend a week with family (15-25 points)...does extended family count?

OH...WOW...just noticed Charity Donation in the Revised Basic Set gives you + your resource rank for a donation...the rich get richer!]]> barna10 General Discussion Fri, 04 Aug 2023 13:40:06 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85812#msg-85812 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85812#msg-85812
My theoretical scenario takes that into account.

Given an Earth-like planet, you could manage multiple rescue attempts per day scattered across the world.

Please note that the net karma per day of my theoretical scenario is measured in the hundreds, maybe a thousand-ish on a busy day.]]> nijineko General Discussion Tue, 01 Aug 2023 15:55:51 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85799#msg-85799 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85799#msg-85799
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From the Advanced Player's Book:

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Rescues: Saving another life is worth 20 Karma points flat, It doesn't matter if the person is Aunt May falling off the Brooklyn Bridge or Doctor Doom falling into the core of his cyclotron. To most heroic characters all life has value, even that of evil characters. A maximum of 100 points may be awarded for any one action involving rescue (Iron Man saves a 747 filled with people from crashing — he gets 100 points max).

There is a limit to the amount of Karma you can get for rescues all at once. If you save the a room full of people, the whole city, or an entire world... it's 100 Karma. I think the Basic set has a slightly higher total, but the point is there are limits to work with should people try to engineer large scale rescues just for the Karma.

Nice catch]]> barna10 General Discussion Thu, 20 Jul 2023 10:55:11 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85798#msg-85798 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85798#msg-85798
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Rescues: Saving another life is worth 20 Karma points flat, It doesn't matter if the person is Aunt May falling off the Brooklyn Bridge or Doctor Doom falling into the core of his cyclotron. To most heroic characters all life has value, even that of evil characters. A maximum of 100 points may be awarded for any one action involving rescue (Iron Man saves a 747 filled with people from crashing — he gets 100 points max).

There is a limit to the amount of Karma you can get for rescues all at once. If you save the a room full of people, the whole city, or an entire world... it's 100 Karma. I think the Basic set has a slightly higher total, but the point is there are limits to work with should people try to engineer large scale rescues just for the Karma.]]> Thrudjelmer General Discussion Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:30:50 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85797#msg-85797 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85797#msg-85797
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Having done some calculations, pulling off surface rescues only (the estimated volume of the Earth's oceans is far beyond the largest cubic volume of effect given in the tables) it would require a power that functions on the Range E column at Monstrous or above rank, divided by the number of duplicates or copies with a rank of power that can allow for meeting or overlapping the divided areas of influence.

It would also help if the combined processing and action taking ability also functioned on Column E of the SAoT table

Did you factor in the Karma you should lose for screwing with nature enough that now the planet is heading down the road of over-population? All those lives saved are people that would have died....now more will die because of over-crowding, disease, lack of food, etc....

I'm not really that morbid, but there is such a thing as "too much good". If the hero starts policing the world, why would governments spend money on fire departments, police, coast guards, etc. The hero's actions could lead to a very bad situation where their powers simply can't make up for the apathy inspired by them always saving everyone. What type of a Karma loss would that lead to?

I would let the players attempt to exploit the mechanics, but would get creative on the repercussions.]]> barna10 General Discussion Wed, 19 Jul 2023 11:42:25 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85793#msg-85793 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85793#msg-85793
It would also help if the combined processing and action taking ability also functioned on Column E of the SAoT table]]> nijineko General Discussion Tue, 18 Jul 2023 12:32:06 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85791#msg-85791 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85791#msg-85791 nijineko General Discussion Sat, 15 Jul 2023 15:43:45 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85788#msg-85788 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85788#msg-85788
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I've seen two methods proposed for exploiting karma.

The first I'm not sure I buy, but the theory was to max out the wealth somehow, then buy a planet, and become ruler of said planet, and somehow that was supposed to grant the character a huge amount of karma to tap into. I cannot recall the specifics.
If I had to guess... it would be something along the lines of "I rule, therefore everyone on the planet is part of my team, so I form a Karma pool with them and have access to all their Karma."

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The second method was to have powers related to water and duplication and multi-tasking at a rank that could cover a typical earth-type water-plentiful planet. Then rescue everyone that has a water accident. This was more power leveling than exploiting, but assuming they have the right powers at high enough level, totally doable and legal... if very busy making. The disadvantage, of course, would be that one time they missed a critical FEAT roll of some kind, and zeroed their karma....
I'm not sure this is entirely accurate. Doable, maybe... if you've got god-level water powers to cause a flood... you are going to cause all kinds of property damage, not to mention put people's lives in danger. Not only does that not sound legal, but I would negate any chance of Karma gain for saving people from a threat that you put them in.]]> Thrudjelmer General Discussion Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:26:29 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85779#msg-85779 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85779#msg-85779
The first I'm not sure I buy, but the theory was to max out the wealth somehow, then buy a planet, and become ruler of said planet, and somehow that was supposed to grant the character a huge amount of karma to tap into. I cannot recall the specifics.

The second method was to have powers related to water and duplication and multi-tasking at a rank that could cover a typical earth-type water-plentiful planet. Then rescue everyone that has a water accident. This was more power leveling than exploiting, but assuming they have the right powers at high enough level, totally doable and legal... if very busy making. The disadvantage, of course, would be that one time they missed a critical FEAT roll of some kind, and zeroed their karma....]]> nijineko General Discussion Mon, 10 Jul 2023 20:35:15 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85768#msg-85768 Re: Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85768#msg-85768
Think of Ant Man in End Game....he begged for people to let him sign an autograph or take a picture with him.]]> barna10 General Discussion Thu, 06 Jul 2023 08:56:44 -0600 https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85767#msg-85767 Exploiting Autograph Karma??? https://classicmarvelforever.com/phorum/read.php?3,85767,85767#msg-85767
Just hand wave?

Are there any superheros with feeble ( 2 ) popularity that are mainstream and would want / willing to sign autographs ?]]> G.A.W. General Discussion Wed, 05 Jul 2023 19:34:30 -0600