A Question About Phasing

Posted by Descartes Demon 
A Question About Phasing
November 24, 2020 11:29AM
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I'm thinking about using Moonstone (classic era - Karla Sofen) in an upcoming adventure. I also noted that she has little in the way of protective abilities - except Phasing (S22 in the UPcool smiley. Is Phasing usable as a sort of Body Armor against attacks from heroes/other villains? I'm guessing that unless attacked by something/one with a material strength of greater than/equal to the power ability, it simply passes through.

Would Moonstone need to make a multiple actions FEAT roll to both Phase and attack in one round? Or Phase against attacks made against her? Note that her time is limited by how long she can hold her breath.

Any clarifications or suggestions welcome!
Re: A Question About Phasing
November 24, 2020 01:48PM
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Generally speaking someone that's phasing will pass through any physical attack used against them, the material strength of the item in question isn't relevant. It would be a limitation on the power that they could still be struck by physical objects, otherwise someone like Kitty Pride would be long dead by now from being hacked up by Wolverine yet she routinely phases through him and his attacks.

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Re: A Question About Phasing
December 08, 2020 05:40PM
In a couple the the Wolverine comics, it was mentioned that Wolverine's adamantium gives her some trouble; it's how she knew Sabretooth had adamantium, himself.
Re: A Question About Phasing
December 10, 2020 10:57AM
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Agreed. The Phasing must exceed the material strength of the object or field for Phasing to occur (UPcool smiley. A nice clarification so someone with Ty Phasing can't just avoid all physical attacks. PHB lists attacking while phased as a power stunt, unless you're disrupting electronics. Multi-action feat seems like a workaround to keep from having to pay for the power stunt

Using the power as a type of Body Armor is intriguing. I might reduce attacks by the Phasing power rank. We've seen evidence of this in the aforementioned Shadowcat/Wolverine example. If a phased character takes catastrophic damage, I'd probably ask for a Psyche feat to hold their form together or substitute Iron Will if applicable, although that's very situational. If they pass out, they'd probably just revert to solid form, injuries and all.

Hope that helps!
Re: A Question About Phasing
December 13, 2020 11:13AM
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Agreed. The Phasing must exceed the material strength of the object or field for Phasing to occur (UPcool smiley. A nice clarification so someone with Ty Phasing can't just avoid all physical attacks. PHB lists attacking while phased as a power stunt, unless you're disrupting electronics. Multi-action feat seems like a workaround to keep from having to pay for the power stunt

Using the power as a type of Body Armor is intriguing. I might reduce attacks by the Phasing power rank. We've seen evidence of this in the aforementioned Shadowcat/Wolverine example. If a phased character takes catastrophic damage, I'd probably ask for a Psyche feat to hold their form together or substitute Iron Will if applicable, although that's very situational. If they pass out, they'd probably just revert to solid form, injuries and all.

Hope that helps!

Except that someone with Typical phasing CAN avoid pretty much all physical attacks unless they've a specific limitation on the power. They just can't actively phase through higher density materials. This is an important feature of phasing.

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Re: A Question About Phasing
December 15, 2020 04:50AM
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Ok, the Player's Book does say "immune to physical and most energy attacks". UPB chimes in with "intangible to normal matter" and "pass harmlessly through any object" with the proviso that the material strength not exceed the power rank. So, what happens if a character with Ty Phasing is attacked with a brick made of Gd material? Character can't phase through the brick, so does it inflict reduced damage? Does the brick just push the phased character away?
Re: A Question About Phasing
December 24, 2020 04:40AM
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Pel Morba
Ok, the Player's Book does say "immune to physical and most energy attacks". UPB chimes in with "intangible to normal matter" and "pass harmlessly through any object" with the proviso that the material strength not exceed the power rank. So, what happens if a character with Ty Phasing is attacked with a brick made of Gd material? Character can't phase through the brick, so does it inflict reduced damage? Does the brick just push the phased character away?

Brick does no damage, unless the phasing had that as a specific limitation.

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Re: A Question About Phasing
December 24, 2020 12:48PM
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Nightmask
Except that someone with Typical phasing CAN avoid pretty much all physical attacks unless they've a specific limitation on the power. They just can't actively phase through higher density materials. This is an important feature of phasing.

So would this apply if, say Moonstone (who has Amazing rank Phasing) encounters the Vision or another character with Density Control (self) who had increased their density beyond the Amazing level?

Also of interest - what happens when two characters who can Phase encounter one another while Phased? Do they pass through one another unharmed? Or is each vulnerable in some degree to the other's attacks?

Curious.
Re: A Question About Phasing
December 24, 2020 11:14PM
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Except that someone with Typical phasing CAN avoid pretty much all physical attacks unless they've a specific limitation on the power. They just can't actively phase through higher density materials. This is an important feature of phasing.

So would this apply if, say Moonstone (who has Amazing rank Phasing) encounters the Vision or another character with Density Control (self) who had increased their density beyond the Amazing level?

Also of interest - what happens when two characters who can Phase encounter one another while Phased? Do they pass through one another unharmed? Or is each vulnerable in some degree to the other's attacks?

Curious.

When both are using their powers it basically puts them on the same footing. Vision for example fought Glamour whose power of molecular control over her own body allowed her to manipulate her density like the Vision so when he 'ghosted' she matched him and negated his defense and fought him straight up. Two phasing characters would operate similarly.

"A shared universe, like any fictional construct, hinges on suspension of disbelief. When continuity is tossed away, it tatters the construct. Undermines it."

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