Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up

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Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
April 30, 2008 12:48PM
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Super-hero ID: Dragonfly
Name: Benjamin Grimm
Power Category-Induced Mutant
Appearance: Appears identical to the normal human form of the earth-616 Thing, with the addition of large leathery wings
Sex: Male

Fighting: Excellent (20)
Agility: Excellent (20)
Strength: Good (10)
Endurance: Remarkable (30)
Reason: Good (10)
Intuition: Good (10)
Psyche: Remarkable (30)

Health: 80
Karma: 50
Resources: Remarkable
Popularity: 50

POWERS

Flight (Winged): Courtesy of a pair of large leather wings Dragonfly may fly at Amazing air speeds, and maneuvers as if possessing Amazing agility while in flight.

TALENTS

Aerial Combat +2CS; Makes all air- and spacecraft-related piloting feats on the Incredible column, including Reason feats in order to pilot previously unfamiliar craft; Military; Wrestling; Martial Arts B;

PERSONALITY

Much like that of his Earth-616 counterpart, although without the angst and self-loathing resulting from that version’s non-human form.

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Super-hero ID: Ultra Woman
Name: Susan Storm
Power Category-Induced Mutant
Appearance: Identical to that of her Earth-616 counterpart
Sex: Female

Fighting: Excellent (20)
Agility: Excellent (20)
Strength: Good (10)
Endurance: Remarkable (30)
Reason: Good (10)
Intuition: Excellent (20)
Psyche: Excellent (20)

Health: 80
Karma: 50
Resources: Remarkable
Popularity: 50

POWERS

Plasticity: As a result of her exposure to cosmic rays Ultra-Woman’s physical structure has mutated, granting her Monstrous rank malleability.

Elongation: Along with her physical malleability Ultra-woman may elongate any part of her body with Monstrous ability.

TALENTS

Performer; Leadership

PERSONALITY

As a result of her gaining the powers of the Earth-616 Mr. Fantastic rather than the invisibility powers of her counterpart Susan Storm became a confident and physically active and brave hero almost from the very start of her career as a super-hero, rather than after years of feeling she had to prove herself due to the perception of many that her powers were weak and ineffectual.

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Super-hero ID: Mandroid
Name: Johnny Storm
Power Category-Induced Mutant
Appearance: Mandroid appears nearly identical to his Earth-616 counterpart, save that instead of appearing as flesh and blood but instead as a shiny steel form, similar to Colossus.
Sex: Male

Fighting: Incredible (40)
Agility: Good (10)
Strength: Monstrous (75)
Endurance: Monstrous (75)
Reason: Remarkable (30)
Intuition: Good (10)
Psyche: Remarkable (30)

Health: 200
Karma: 70
Resources: Remarkable
Popularity: 50

POWERS

Robotic Form: Due to his affinity with machinery the cosmic rays interacted with that aspect of his subconscious personality in order to convert him from flesh-and-blood permanently into a mechanical form approximating his original organic self, granting him a number of special properties as a result:
-Body Armor: Incredible protection from Physical and Energy Attacks
-Magnetic Manipulation: Monstrous ability to absorb an incoming magnetic attack and one turn later reverse it and expel it in order to disperse an ongoing event. It is possible that this power is more expansive and will allow for the absorption and dispersal of any energy attack given the opportunity.
-As a result of his transformation loss of limbs and other damage is not as traumatic for Mandroid as it would be for his flesh-and-blood allies, as such much like any other machine he may be ‘repaired’ and lost limbs and parts replaced if necessary (he lost his hand in his initial appearance but was shown in a future cut to have it back). It is unknown but likely that he has self-repair systems that approximate normal healing, but whether they would allow for restoration of a lost limb without outside aid is unknown.

TALENTS

Mechanical Engineering; Electrical Engineering; Automobile Specialist;

PERSONALITY

Unlike his more hot-headed and impulsive counterpart from the Earth-616 continuity Mandroid is less prone to such behavior than his counterpart and more inclined to think things through, as his vast physical strength requires careful applications at all times, although he still maintains much of his youthful drive and impulsiveness.

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Super-hero ID: Big Brain
Name: Reed Richards
Power Category-Originally Induced Mutant, now Normal Human/High Tech Hero
Appearance: Originally after his mutation Richards appeared as a large disembodied brain, later after usurping the physical form of Dr. Doom he took Doom’s appearance for his own.
Sex: Male

Fighting: Typical (6)/Remarkable (30)
Agility: Good (10)/ Excellent (20)
Strength: Typical (6)/ Incredible (40)
Endurance: Typical (6)/Monstrous (75)
Reason: Monstrous (75)
Intuition: Good (10)
Psyche: Amazing (50)

Note: All the above stats are for Big Brain after taking over Dr. Doom’s body, consider his Fighting, Agility, and Strength to be Shift 0 in his disembodied brain form, and Incredible Endurance. Those to the left are of his unarmored form, those to the right for his armored form.

Health: 28/165
Karma: 135
Resources: Remarkable
Popularity: 30

POWERS

Big Brain (original): In his original mutated brain form Reed Richards possessed Amazing rank telepathic abilities, allowing him to communicate telepathically as well as control the minds of others with Amazing ability. He was also able to psionically interface with the computer systems of his headquarter’s and manipulate it as if it were an extension of himself. It is unknown if he retained any of these powers after transferring his mind into the body of Dr. Doom.

Hyper-Invention (all forms): Big Brain’s intellect was greatly enhanced due to the events that transformed him and his friends, far above that of his Earth-616 counterpart, as such he receives a Monstrous rank increase to his Reason in order to comprehend/design/repair any technology to which he is exposed, no matter how alien or advanced, as well as develop new technologies as needed. Costs for building new devices or repairing existing devices are reduced by 2CS before making the Resource feat roll as well.

Power Armor (Doom’s Body): Having taken over the form of Dr. Doom Reed Richards acquired all his physical capabilities, including that of his power armor, which he has upgraded and modified to fit his own outlook on such things, with the following features most likely but not the only ones possible:
-Body Armor: Amazing protection against Physical and Energy Attacks
-Force field: Built-in protective force field capable of covering up to one area and blocking up to Monstrous rank attacks, or Unearthly if only covering the armor, but cannot use any other systems while active.
-Flight: Amazing air speeds
-All band radio transceiver with a range of 200 miles, capable of detecting and decrypting all transmissions
-Particle Beam Projectors: Monstrous force or energy damage to a range of 7 areas.
-Full spectrum scanners, allowing for Incredible Infra-vision and UV-vision, Monstrous rank Hyper-Hearing and energy analysis at Amazing ability to a range of 10 miles.
-Life Support: Provides full life support under hazardous environmental conditions for up to one month on recycled materials provided the armor has not been breached, with Unearthly protection from environmental extremes.

TALENTS

As one of the most brilliant minds on earth Reed Richards is an expert in nearly all scientific fields, including but not limited to electronics, robotics, computers, physics, chemistry, and biology. He is also an expert in all fields of Engineering and given he resides within the body of his former nemesis it is possible he possesses latent mystic potential.

PERSONALITY

Unlike his Earth-616 counterpart Big Brain is the angsty, self-loathing member of the team due to his lack of a human body and loss of all human physical contact after his transformation that required him to sublimate his desires for his teammate Ultra-Woman and throw himself into his scientific endeavors. It has yet to be revealed whether or not he managed to act on those desires after claiming the body of Dr. Doom as his own or if she instead went with her teammate Dragonfly’s advances.

HISTORY

Diverging at the moment the Fantastic Four first got their powers, the cosmic rays brought forth mutations based on other aspects of the four challengers of the unknown. Instead of his rock-steady nature Ben Grimm’s love of flight brought forth wings to allow him to fly unaided instead, while Johnny Storm’s fascination with all things mechanical transformed him into that which he so loved, even as his sister’s flexible nature and ability to cope with anything transformed her into the malleable being she became, and Reed Richard’s became the big brain that Ben Grimm often teased him as. Pledging to use their powers to benefit mankind they joined together to become, like their counterparts have in so many other realities, the Fantastic Four.

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CONTACTS

Similar to those of their Earth-616 counterparts

ENEMIES

Similar to those of their Earth-616 counterparts, including the Molecule Man, Mole Man, Miracle Man, Skrulls, and Dr. Doom (Deceased).

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Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
June 09, 2008 05:29AM
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Boy this one takes me back. I liked the mix-up of powers and appearances in this grouping.
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June 09, 2008 11:26AM
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They were pretty interesting, especially after Reed usurped Doom's body and as a result likely gained access to and control of the country of Latveria that would have supplied him with not just vast Resources but an entire country to elevate as a hero and diplomatic immunity as well for him and the rest of the FF.

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Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
October 30, 2008 10:24PM
This is an interesting variation of the team. Great job!
Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
October 31, 2008 03:50AM
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This has always been one of my favorite What If stories. Awesome write-ups Nightmask
Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
October 31, 2008 05:27AM
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Glad to find another fan of it then and glad you like it so much Brettski!

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Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
October 31, 2008 05:28AM
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Thanks, I'd do up a few of the other versions if they weren't of a less-interesting format than this group.

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Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
November 03, 2008 09:42PM
The variations of the FF are always appreciated.
Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
November 04, 2008 01:57AM
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True, well almost all of them. The FF members from the divergent comic that had for possibilities based on everyone getting the powers of a particular member (i.e. everyone in one universe had elasticity, in another everyone had flame powers, etc.) weren't necessarily that impressive, especially given that two of the divergences ended up with neither group becoming heroes and even having a terrible ending in two of them.

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Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
November 04, 2008 03:49AM
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Yeah that one was a bit on the weird side. When each of them all got the same powers, The first three followed the same deal each had the power to stretch, each had fire control and manipulation, each of them turned into a monster but than the last story where each of them dived up Sues invisibility and force field powers. To make it even stranger Johnny got a power she has never had, the ability to phase though objects.
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November 04, 2008 04:41AM
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Having Susan end up like the Man-Thing was pretty wierd too, although yes that one over the Invisible Woman's powers was also on the strange side. In all the others they effectively gained the same power template as the Signature character the story revolved around except that one. Instead of everyone having the power of Invisibility and Force Fields it was 'you get to make other things invisible, you get to have the force field, and so on'. Didn't really make sense like that (and you have to wonder how those worlds survived when Galactus showed up because otherwise they aren't true divergences from Earth-616). We still haven't seen a What-if where they all ended up effectively like the Super-Skrull, with all four having the combined powers of the Earth-616 heroes, although they did apparently show a what-if where Reed had the powers of the Thing and Mr. Fantastic (didn't seem to have figured out how to become human at will though) and Ben had those of the Human Torch and Invisible Woman but never used them to be a hero.

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Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
November 18, 2008 10:54PM
I agree. That issue waas weird too. A little too strange. Thank goodness it's a lost world.
Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
January 11, 2020 04:05PM
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Super-hero ID: Ultra Woman
Name: Susan Storm
Power Category-Induced Mutant
Appearance: Identical to that of her Earth-616 counterpart
Sex: Female

Fighting: Excellent (20)
Agility: Excellent (20)
Strength: Good (10)
Endurance: Remarkable (30)
Reason: Good (10)
Intuition: Excellent (20)
Psyche: Excellent (20)

Health: 80
Karma: 50
Resources: Remarkable
Popularity: 50

POWERS

Plasticity: As a result of her exposure to cosmic rays Ultra-Woman’s physical structure has mutated, granting her Monstrous rank malleability.

Elongation: Along with her physical malleability Ultra-woman may elongate any part of her body with Monstrous ability.

TALENTS

Performer; Leadership

PERSONALITY

As a result of her gaining the powers of the Earth-616 Mr. Fantastic rather than the invisibility powers of her counterpart Susan Storm became a confident and physically active and brave hero almost from the very start of her career as a super-hero, rather than after years of feeling she had to prove herself due to the perception of many that her powers were weak and ineffectual.

Why does Susan Storm of this alternate earth who has the powers of Mr. Fantastic have Excellent fighting and agility along with Good strength when according to you, giving Reed Richards who has the same kind of powers Excellent agility is ridiculous? Was this version of Susan Storm an Olympic athlete and weight lifter? And how does she have Excellent fighting? How did Susan Storm get such high stats if she could not have gotten them from her powers?
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January 15, 2020 09:34AM
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Super-hero ID: Ultra Woman
Name: Susan Storm
Power Category-Induced Mutant
Appearance: Identical to that of her Earth-616 counterpart
Sex: Female

Fighting: Excellent (20)
Agility: Excellent (20)
Strength: Good (10)
Endurance: Remarkable (30)
Reason: Good (10)
Intuition: Excellent (20)
Psyche: Excellent (20)

Health: 80
Karma: 50
Resources: Remarkable
Popularity: 50

POWERS

Plasticity: As a result of her exposure to cosmic rays Ultra-Woman’s physical structure has mutated, granting her Monstrous rank malleability.

Elongation: Along with her physical malleability Ultra-woman may elongate any part of her body with Monstrous ability.

TALENTS

Performer; Leadership

PERSONALITY

As a result of her gaining the powers of the Earth-616 Mr. Fantastic rather than the invisibility powers of her counterpart Susan Storm became a confident and physically active and brave hero almost from the very start of her career as a super-hero, rather than after years of feeling she had to prove herself due to the perception of many that her powers were weak and ineffectual.

Why does Susan Storm of this alternate earth who has the powers of Mr. Fantastic have Excellent fighting and agility along with Good strength when according to you, giving Reed Richards who has the same kind of powers Excellent agility is ridiculous? Was this version of Susan Storm an Olympic athlete and weight lifter? And how does she have Excellent fighting? How did Susan Storm get such high stats if she could not have gotten them from her powers?

Why are you wasting time bumping this up just to carry on trying to insist Earth-616 Reed has stats he doesn't? Particularly asking questions that have obvious answers?

See, practice and experience can improve someone's base stats. Susan is far more a combat member of this FF than Reed is of his FF, hence her having higher stats than Reed of Earth-616 has despite having the same powers. I also wrote this up almost 12 years ago and sometimes cut-and-paste errors occurred, as I likely wouldn't have written her with Good strength if I'd done the write-up more recently.

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Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
January 16, 2020 09:07AM
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Why are you wasting time bumping this up just to carry on trying to insist Earth-616 Reed has stats he doesn't? Particularly asking questions that have obvious answers?

See, practice and experience can improve someone's base stats. Susan is far more a combat member of this FF than Reed is of his FF, hence her having higher stats than Reed of Earth-616 has despite having the same powers. I also wrote this up almost 12 years ago and sometimes cut-and-paste errors occurred, as I likely wouldn't have written her with Good strength if I'd done the write-up more recently.

What proof or scans do you have that this Susan Storm has more combat skills? And why is it she could improve to the level of an Olympic athlete when according to you Reed was incapable of Excellent agility despite spending long hours training his agility? Did this elastic Sue Storm spend hours training her agility the way Reed has done? If so, why couldn't Reed have as much agility? If not, how did this version of Sue get her agility?

And how much more practice and experience did this version of Sue Storm get (in a single issue I might add) that was greater than the Reed Richards of the mainstream Marvel Universe? I've shown scans of Reed's capabilities. Show me the scans of this Sue Storm surpassing Reed Richards when she has the same powers.

I think you up and decided that she was more capable and that was that. And anyone who disagrees with you despite showing proof of their point is either ridiculous or a conspiracy theorist!
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January 16, 2020 12:43PM
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I'm going to have to agree with Nightmask that dredging up a decade-old write up of an alternate reality version of the FF to refute his current claim about Mr. Fantastic's abilities is kind of pushing things. After all, he says he likely would have done it different now and yet you insist he just decided she would be better (which may or may not have been the case then, but is it now?) as if people can't change their minds over time.

As someone who has had similar disagreements with Nightmask about stats of characters that maybe should be revisited, I do know the frustration of offering evidence only to have him dismiss it as a one-off... even when multiple instances were presented. But you've got him admitting that he would have done something differently on the old write up because of error on his part, and you want to hold on to the argument.

My point is that this might not be the best way to make your point... or even worth fighting for. How about just agree to disagree? You both have your own opinions of how Mr. Fantastic's powers and abilities work and are unwilling to accept each other's point of view. You've both presented your arguments for why you think the way you do, so let others take those viewpoints and arguments you've made and make their own decision as to which they like better. Which way is right? Honestly, it all depends on the writer. What is wrong today could be right tomorrow. Power retcons happen all the time. Does anyone know why Thor doesn't use super breath anymore? He used to. It was an ability he displayed. But at some point, it was decided (probably due to comparisons to Superman) that he just doesn't do that.

Does he still have the power or has it been retconned away? Could it ever come back? Why has it never been statted in ANY version of MSH stats, official or unofficial? Use whatever version of a character you like. However, stat blocks generally refer to either the iconic or most recent version of a character unless otherwise stated. Just take what's available and modify it as needed for your games.

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Re: Earth-7712 Fantastic Four Characters Write-Up
January 16, 2020 02:59PM
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My point is that this might not be the best way to make your point... or even worth fighting for. How about just agree to disagree? You both have your own opinions of how Mr. Fantastic's powers and abilities work and are unwilling to accept each other's point of view. You've both presented your arguments for why you think the way you do, so let others take those viewpoints and arguments you've made and make their own decision as to which they like better. Which way is right? Honestly, it all depends on the writer. What is wrong today could be right tomorrow. Power retcons happen all the time. Does anyone know why Thor doesn't use super breath anymore? He used to. It was an ability he displayed. But at some point, it was decided (probably due to comparisons to Superman) that he just doesn't do that.

I'll keep what you've said in mind.
 
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