When it comes to Batman, it's like this:

The Burton Batman got the characters wrong and the setting right.
The Nolan Batman got the characters right and the setting wrong.

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So when Age of Apocalypse is released no one is going to watch it so they cant rip it to shreds with a negative review. I don't know. Marvel movies for comic book fans is like booze for alcohalics that keep swearing off the stuff but after some tome goes by they are getting plastrered again. Then the morning after filed with regret.

DC movies too

Finally got to watch this over the weekend.

The thing I really liked: The depiction of Quicksilvers powers was awesome. If I could choose a super power, that's the one I'd want.

The thing I hated most: The Sentinels (and the fights with them) were lame. I wanted titanic robots scooping up mutants in their fists like little toys, and getting sliced and diced, de-limbed and otherwise smashed to bits by Wolvie, Colossus, Cyclops and company.

Sentinels look like this:
[www.dropbox.com]

These are generic, 50's era, B-movie giant robots:
[www.dropbox.com]

This is ROM Space Knight, wearing a full suit of scale mail. Hm... or maybe it's one of the Aliens from the movie A.I. wearing a suit of scale mail. Okay, I don't have any idea what the hell this thing is supposed to be:
[www.dropbox.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/03/2014 06:41AM by FASERIPPER.

FASERIPPER Wrote:
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> This is ROM Space Knight, wearing a full suit of
> scale mail. Hm... or maybe it's one of the Aliens
> from the movie A.I. wearing a suit of scale mail.
> Okay, I don't have any idea what the hell this
> thing is supposed to be:
> [www.dropbox.com]?
> dl=0


X-Men's equivalent to a T-1000 Terminator programmed to kill mutants, maybe?

When you check out the alternate scenes it looks like they had considered having it actually be Stryker that acquired Wolverine at the end of the movie instead of Mystique but decided to go with her rescuing him instead. Does make you wonder where things went for them after that point (wonder if they'll give us more in a future movie), since it was the 70s Wolverine who had no idea what had happened (also sad that he's dead since his mind was erased and replaced with the bad future timeline's Wolverine mind) and Mystique was deciding on being a more heroic person. So did they hook up and result in a Wolverine/Mystique offspring perhaps? Would make a pretty interesting combo.

Nightmask Wrote:
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> So did they hook up and result in a
> Wolverine/Mystique offspring perhaps? Would
> make a pretty interesting combo.


Superhero genetic pairings always make for interesting ponderings.

Thrudjelmer Wrote:
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> Nightmask Wrote:
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> > So did they hook up and result in a
> > Wolverine/Mystique offspring perhaps? Would
> > make a pretty interesting combo.
>
>
> Superhero genetic pairings always make for
> interesting ponderings.

Particularly when there is some canon possibility for it to actually occur. Hmmm, for something extra funny, what if Grayten Creed actually has a fraternal twin brother who actually did inherent the mutant potential of his mother Mystique and father Sabertooth while his brother ended up only getting normal human genes?

Of course Mystique's powers have been expanded to include healing/regeneration and longevity so not much the hypothetical child would have beyond what it already gets from her just better versions stacked with his abilities. At best some enhanced senses she hasn't got and the bone claws that would make pulling off claw attacks more effective.

I imagine the hypothetical love child of her and Magneto or Xavier would be more interesting, combining those power sets with hers to be extra formidable, even if DC already has a shape-shifting Telepath (Martian Manhunter).

For a bit of Fridge Logic you have to wonder how Magneto can rip up miles of train track to impregnate the Sentinels with metal so he can control them without anyone apparently noticing. We're talking some serious railway damage particularly in a time when train travel was more active than today as we've tried to phase it out somewhat, plus even as noisy as a train is how do you not hear something so noisy as how he rips those rails up?

Nightmask Wrote:
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> For a bit of Fridge Logic you have to wonder how
> Magneto can rip up miles of train track to
> impregnate the Sentinels with metal so he can
> control them without anyone apparently noticing.
> We're talking some serious railway damage
> particularly in a time when train travel was more
> active than today as we've tried to phase it out
> somewhat, plus even as noisy as a train is how do
> you not hear something so noisy as how he rips
> those rails up?




well if your going to pick holes in the logic of films why bother watching them; its why we have the phrase 'willing suspension of dis-belief' ... but that said

Did he rip up miles of track, or just a few meters? He took a few lengths and then stretched it small and thin to infiltrate the control servos of the sentinels is how I perceived what was happening

As for the gap left in the tracks... would magneto care? what was the time frame between taking control and the attack?

any way, lets assume he does and wants to keep things secret...

the key question is this: - does he have enough range on his power to shave a few microns off the surface of the nearby by track and morph a replacement track into place?

Anyone out there want to do the maths on this? how many rails were picked up 'on screen'? assume that was all he needed to over-ride the Sentinels: How many kgs of steel is that? You can then assume ~7.75 as the density of the steel, and work out what the surface area per Kilometer is for a rail track (!) and then figure out if Magneto has enough range to skim the surface of the surrounding rail network (and I suppose any other nearby sources of steel) and replace the tracks he has just taken... why he does it that way makes no sense, but hey, its an interesting puzzle

also would magneto need to replace all of the missing track? As he is re-building rails atom by atom - he can create an 'optimised geometry replacement rail' that only looks like a real rail from the out side the difference wont be apparent until after the surface has worn through and the track engineers see the honeycomb pattern inside it! shall we assume he only needs to take back 10% of the steel he used to control the robots

heh, i may work this out at some point, but dont hold your breath waiting for me to do it!

NikMak Wrote:
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> Nightmask Wrote:
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> > For a bit of Fridge Logic you have to wonder
> how
> > Magneto can rip up miles of train track to
> > impregnate the Sentinels with metal so he can
> > control them without anyone apparently noticing.
>
> > We're talking some serious railway damage
> > particularly in a time when train travel was
> more
> > active than today as we've tried to phase it
> out
> > somewhat, plus even as noisy as a train is how
> do
> > you not hear something so noisy as how he rips
> > those rails up?
>
>
>
>
> well if your going to pick holes in the logic of
> films why bother watching them; its why we have
> the phrase 'willing suspension of dis-belief' ...
> but that said

When something's too glaring or hits you at a later time it violates the suspension of disbelief required for things. While you may suspend disbelief for example over the idea someone could manipulate metal with a thought you still expect everything else to function as it normally would without anything else to the contrary making it explicitly not do so.

> Did he rip up miles of track, or just a few
> meters? He took a few lengths and then stretched
> it small and thin to infiltrate the control
> servos of the sentinels is how I perceived what
> was happening

He rips up over a thousand feet of track easy, so dozens of rail sections and it takes a lot less than that to derail any other trains that end up traveling along the same track.

> As for the gap left in the tracks... would magneto
> care? what was the time frame between taking
> control and the attack?
>
> any way, lets assume he does and wants to keep
> things secret...
>
> the key question is this: - does he have enough
> range on his power to shave a few microns off the
> surface of the nearby by track and morph a
> replacement track into place?

While his range suffers due to plot he's clearly not trying anything so subtle (otherwise he'd have simply flown in with all the metal he needed instead of ripping up the existing railway), he's shredding the tracks and using them to suborn the Sentinels without the slightest effort to cover it up in regards to destroying the rail line.

> Anyone out there want to do the maths on this?
> how many rails were picked up 'on screen'? assume
> that was all he needed to over-ride the Sentinels:
> How many kgs of steel is that? You can then
> assume ~7.75 as the density of the steel, and work
> out what the surface area per Kilometer is for a
> rail track (!) and then figure out if Magneto has
> enough range to skim the surface of the
> surrounding rail network (and I suppose any other
> nearby sources of steel) and replace the tracks
> he has just taken... why he does it that way makes
> no sense, but hey, its an interesting puzzle
>
> also would magneto need to replace all of the
> missing track? As he is re-building rails atom by
> atom - he can create an 'optimised geometry
> replacement rail' that only looks like a real rail
> from the out side the difference wont be apparent
> until after the surface has worn through and the
> track engineers see the honeycomb pattern inside
> it! shall we assume he only needs to take back
> 10% of the steel he used to control the robots
>
> heh, i may work this out at some point, but dont
> hold your breath waiting for me to do it!

Nice as those would have been to cover things up he doesn't actually do anything of the sort in the movie, he simply pulls himself onto the top of the train then starts pulling up lengths of railway over several thousand feet to use to impregnate the Sentinels with metal so he can control them.

I also have to wonder how Wolverine handled things at the end. I mean think about it, mentally he's a man who has seen the worst horrors possible. Genocide on a global scale, nearly everyone he ever cared about dead (and having had to kill at least one himself), the Earth effectively in ruins and reduced to a death world never to be more. He goes from being a man who lived through such horrors to replacing his self in the alternate/replacement future, one where humanity and its mutant offspring are clearly living in peace, with everyone he'd seen die or had to kill alive again and living in a veritable utopia especially compared to the world he remembers. That can't be easy trying to reconcile those memories with his new reality, especially having no idea what things his alternate self had done from '73 on, what friends and enemies he had that differed from himself.

Nightmask Wrote:
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> NikMak Wrote:
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>
> > Did he rip up miles of track, or just a few
> > meters? He took a few lengths and then
> stretched
> > it small and thin to infiltrate the control
> > servos of the sentinels is how I perceived what
> > was happening
>
> He rips up over a thousand feet of track easy, so
> dozens of rail sections and it takes a lot less
> than that to derail any other trains that end up
> traveling along the same track.

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its interesting how the mind works; i have underestimated how many tracks were pulled up, and you have over estimated

I have just re-watched the scene on you tube and slo-mo'ed through it. (


poor quality youtube footage ) assuming the you tube video I watched hadnt been eddited down by the person who posted it, you only ever see 8, or possibly 9, lengths of steel at any one time (as in bars moving through a single, uncut camera angle or pan).

Assuming that is hand laid track from the 1940s, that means each one is about 24m long, so lets be generous and say he rips up 240m of track. obviously hes ripping up track form both sides, so its only about 120m of travel distance hes ripped up.

I still think he did it the way I suggest (why? who knows, hes a genocidal megalomaniac after all!) as that way i get to keep on enjoying the film and not worry about the silliness (like the fact they have super powers!)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2014 01:03AM by NikMak.

Nightmask Wrote:
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> I also have to wonder how Wolverine handled things
> at the end. I mean think about it, mentally he's
> a man who has seen the worst horrors possible.
> Genocide on a global scale, nearly everyone he
> ever cared about dead (and having had to kill at
> least one himself), the Earth effectively in ruins
> and reduced to a death world never to be more. He
> goes from being a man who lived through such
> horrors to replacing his self in the
> alternate/replacement future, one where humanity
> and its mutant offspring are clearly living in
> peace, with everyone he'd seen die or had to kill
> alive again and living in a veritable utopia
> especially compared to the world he remembers.
> That can't be easy trying to reconcile those
> memories with his new reality, especially having
> no idea what things his alternate self had done
> from '73 on, what friends and enemies he had that
> differed from himself.

But as the new movie is going to be set in the 80's the Wolverine we will most likely see will be the one who had lived his life up until the point Wolvie future came into his head and took over, did a bunch of world saving shit, and then left. So that Wolverine wouldn't have been the one to experience that whole adventure and wouldn't have the close bond with the other X-Men. Not sure how they are going to play that out.

Nightmask Wrote:
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> When you check out the alternate scenes it looks
> like they had considered having it actually be
> Stryker that acquired Wolverine at the end of the
> movie instead of Mystique but decided to go with
> her rescuing him instead. Does make you wonder
> where things went for them after that point
> (wonder if they'll give us more in a future
> movie), since it was the 70s Wolverine who had no
> idea what had happened (also sad that he's dead
> since his mind was erased and replaced with the
> bad future timeline's Wolverine mind) and Mystique
> was deciding on being a more heroic person. So
> did they hook up and result in a
> Wolverine/Mystique offspring perhaps? Would make
> a pretty interesting combo.

And Rogue was born...
or maybe Squrriel girl...

Overall,
the movie was entertaining.
Trying to make sense of it is a major suckage fail.

I am surprised many of you didn't mention the mutant vietnam soldiers of
Havok
Toad
and whoever else.

JL played a hot Mystique.