Astonishing Super Heroes and other retro-clones
Astonishing Super Heroes and other retro-clones
March 13, 2022 07:37AM
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So apparently, a new retro-clone of our favorite rpg has just been released. It is called "Astonishing Super Heroes".
You can learn about it here, if you don't already know it:
Any chance any of you guys already have it? If so, how does it feel as compared to good old MSH?
And while we're at it, we may as well talk about all the other MSH/FASERIP retro-clones that are out there.
To my knowledge, these are all the retro-clones that are out there right now:
G-Core
4C
FASERIP
and now, Astonishing Super Heroes
There's also Ascendant, which is actually a retro-clone of the old DC Heroes rpg from Mayfair, but with elements of FASERIP fused into it, according to the creator.
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March 13, 2022 11:45AM
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I never understood these retro clones. Just play MSH. The real one!
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March 13, 2022 02:27PM
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Quote tystates
I never understood these retro clones. Just play MSH. The real one!
Exactly.
It's not like it's hard to find ...
... Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash.
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March 14, 2022 04:19AM
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Easy to find, yes, but the price-point is often prohibitive. I e-mailed this site a long while ago and never got an answer about legality of having all the pdfs available here (though sometimes e-mails from this site get lost anyway, lol). I haven't played Astonishing Super Heroes (or, actually, MSH yet, to be honest), though I did observe it from afar, but I imagine anything that brings awareness to folks is good - eventually, they'll find themselves here, right? lol
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March 17, 2022 07:32AM
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Legality was handled ages ago.
TSR is gone, the Marvel license had lapsed before WOTC bought TSR, and Marvel expressed in writing they didn't care about the product (to the former and current owners of this site).
Plus, none of these are available for sale from any retailer, either as new print or pdf.
Download and use at your leisure.
Re: Astonishing Super Heroes and other retro-clones
March 17, 2022 07:37AM
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Quote tystates
I never understood these retro clones. Just play MSH. The real one!
I like them because because there are some new ideas in them. I don't think I'd ever play a "FASERIP", "4C", or "G-CORE" game, but each has some new ideas that add to the game.
4C added things like powers that give you more resources or popularity, and one that gives you more talents. (like these)
FASERIP has some great interpretations of the the various "control" powers like elemental, continuum, and energy control powers, and tons of great power stunt ideas.
G-Core has tons of source material and tons of new super powers
In addition, each has different interpretations of some of the original material (ie different mechanics for specific super powers) that also add variety.
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March 17, 2022 08:49AM
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Quote barna10
Legality was handled ages ago.
TSR is gone, the Marvel license had lapsed before WOTC bought TSR, and Marvel expressed in writing they didn't care about the product (to the former and current owners of this site).
Plus, none of these are available for sale from any retailer, either as new print or pdf.
Download and use at your leisure.
Ah, that's excellent to hear - I assumed it was something like that but... I dunno. That sort of stuff gets tricky past a certain point. Thanks for the confirmation.
EDIT: Also! I definitely got two e-mails about the responses after my posts, so maybe the e-mail thing is working now?
Re: Astonishing Super Heroes and other retro-clones
March 19, 2022 07:26AM
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Quote BWS2K
EDIT: Also! I definitely got two e-mails about the responses after my posts, so maybe the e-mail thing is working now?
Thanks for the confirmation! Yes, email is finally fixed.
Re: Astonishing Super Heroes and other retro-clones
March 31, 2022 02:17PM
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Retro clones as they are labeled, are just home brew version of, in which case they can be great or they can suck hard balls. I read through a couple and seems ok, I did read one that i thought sucks worse than a black hole, but i kept that to myself which one it is. Just cause i didn't like it, doesn't mean i need to bash it publicly.
As in all things, do whatever makes your game fun.
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