I have wanted to get some of these stats done for some time now and I have a wonderful resource to help me get more stats for my Earth-199999. Since Avengers: Age of Ultron is coming out tomorrow (and I'm seeing it tonight), I figured I'd start working on the AOS portion. Here are a few of the main characters I have worked on:

[www.angelfire.com] Phil Coulson (Updated)
[www.angelfire.com] Melinda May
[www.angelfire.com] Leo Fitz
[www.angelfire.com] Jemma Simmons
[www.angelfire.com] Grant Ward
[www.angelfire.com] Syke (Before Training)
[www.angelfire.com] Bobbi Morse
[www.angelfire.com] Lance Hunter

Let me know what you think!

Very cool, Ben, very cool indeed!

I like it, but I have two questions about Coulson.

1) I always though Excellent strength was like an Olympic athelete, maybe even a powerlifter. Is he really *that* strong?

2) Is Coulson a master martial artist? Incredible fighting is really scary, and he has a lot of Martial Arts talents.

Admittedly I only watched about 2/3 of season 1, and I like most of the stats. Is Coulson really such an asskicker? Cos if he is, then I've chronically underestimated the character.

I'll bump Coulson down a peg, but this argument could be made:

"Phil Coulson is highly trained in multiple martial arts and hand to hand combat styles, even claiming that he could take on a highly-trained specialist as Grant Ward, holding his own against a brainwashed Agent 33 and even fighting Calvin Zabo, a man with enhanced strength. He easily, even after being tortured, subdued Sebastian Derik, a highly trained assassin."

I think the AOS may make their way into my games.
As always, wonderful work.

Hi BenRiley. I really appreciate your work on the MAoS characters. In a recent show, Gemma stated that Skye's power is comparable to the Hulk's. Ergo, ipso facto. whenever you update Skye's stats, would you rank her vibration damage / quake power at Unearthly, with a "adrenaline surge" that could raise it to Shift-X (for those Game Judges who stick with the original set's Universal Table) , or that she could maxout at Shift-Z?

Afterall, she destroyed a section of a forest, nearly shook a building to it's foundation, and pushed SHEILD plane off of a carrier.

WOW. No disrespect intended to Ben Riely as I have a great deal of respect for him and his site. But am I the only one that finds these stats over rated? In no way, shape or form, do any of these characters deserve a Physical Stat over Remarkable. Just my opinion, but wow.

Yeah I tend to make humans very human and gods unbelievably powerful, rather than get everyone in a spectrum. I see non-powered humans of any kind as waaayyy less tough than even a low level superhero like Daredevil.

And in terms of intelligence etc. I also like to keep normals very normal, otherwise we are seriously giving out the Ph Ds to the wrong people. Which we are, but that has nothing to do with this.

I think that the stats would probably be closer to this...Truthfully I think that Coulson would have an Excellent Fighting, although it could go either way on that one...

Agent Phil Coulson

F) Rm30
A) Gd10
S) Gd10
E) Ex20
R) Gd10
I) Rm30
P) Rm30

Health: 70 Karma: 70
Resources: Ex Pop: 0

Known Powers:
None

Equipment:
Pistol: Gd Shooting, 3 areas

Talents: Leadership, Martial Arts A, B, E, Guns, Military, Law Enforcement, Detective/Espionage, Tactician, Strategist, Bi-Lingual: (English, "Vacation" Spanish).

Contacts: S.H.I.E.L.D., Nick Fury, Pepper Potts.

With May, I went with an Incredible fighting as she is acknowledged as being the best fighter in the show. I figured that her and Ward were pretty close in terms of skill, but my assumption at least was that he is slightly more agile and she as him in hand to hand.

Melinda May

F) In40
A) Ex20
S) Gd10
E) Ex20
R) Gd10
I) Rm30
P) Rm30

Health: 90 Karma: 70
Resources: Gd Pop: 0

Known Powers:
None

Equipment:
Pistol: Gd Shooting, 3 areas

Talents: Military, Guns, Marksmanship, All Martial Arts, Acrobatics, Tumbling, Pilot, Multi-Lingual: (English, Cantonese, Mandarin, Spanish).

Contacts: S.H.I.E.L.D.

With Fitz and Simmons, I left the stats alone except for making them equel in Reason. I'd almost argue that Fighting and Strength need to be Poor on both as they're the most normal of people in the show. But I left it along as it gives them a few more points of health.

Leo Fitz

F) Ty6
A) Ty6
S) Ty6
E) Ty6
R) Rm30
I) Gd10
P) Gd10

Health: 24 Karma: 50
Resources: Gd Pop: 0

Known Powers:
None

Equipment:


Talents: Computers, Weapons Design and Engineering, Electronics, Engineering, Repair/Tinkering.

Contacts: S.H.I.E.L.D., Jemma Simmons, Alphonso "Mack" Mackenzie.

Jemma Simmons

F) Ty6
A) Ty6
S) Ty6
E) Ty6
R) Rm30
I) Gd10
P) Gd10

Health: 24 Karma: 70
Resources: Gd Pop: 0

Known Powers:
None

Equipment:
None

Talents: Biology, Chemistry, Anatomy, Physics, First Aid, Medicine, Detective/Espionage.

Contacts: S.H.I.E.L.D., Leo Fitz.

Other than Bobbi Morse, who is really just that character in name only, Ward is as close to an actual superhero as the show gets as he's initially shown to be a James Bond/Jason Bourne type of superspy.Hence I made him a little more Union Jack, rather than Captain America.

Grant Ward

F) Rm30
A) Rm30
S) Gd10
E) Ex20
R) Gd10
I) Rm30
P) Rm30

Health: 90 Karma: 70
Resources: Ex Pop: 0

Known Powers:
None

Equipment:
Pistol: Gd Shooting

Talents: Martial Arts A, B, E, Guns, Detective/Espionage, Stealth, Disguise, Guns, Marksmanship, Multi-Lingual: (English, French, Russian, Italian, Spanish), Pilot, Survival, Hunting, Tracking.

Contacts: HYDRA, S.H.I.E.L.D., John Garrett.

Skye, I left alone for the most part. I did reduce the mental stats and I think that when it comes to modeling characters (especially TV related...) you have to look at what is given. I wouldn't have stated theReason, Intuition and Psyche so high (she's little more than a normal teenager when we meet her) and I'm not for sure about the reason, with computers that puts her at Incredible and I'm not willing to say she's that smart. Peter Parker smart? Sure. Reed Richards/Tony Stark smart? Naw.

Skye

F) Gd10
A) Ty6
S) Ty6
E) Ty6
R) Ex(20)
I) Gd10
P) Gd10

Health: 28 Karma: 50
Resources: Ty Pop: 0

Known Powers:
None

Equipment:
None

Talents: Computers, Streetwise.

Contacts: Phil Coulson, Grant Ward, Rising Tide.

First off it's 'Barbara', not Roberta. and secondly other than going aboslutely wild with the stats or Mockingbird (Which I can't recall her ever being actually called that in the series...) Since May is considered the 'best' I put Bobbi a close second behind Ward. I also dropped her Intuition and psyche from Incredible as well as her fighting.

Mockingbird

Barbara "Bobbi" Morse

F) Rm30
A) Ex20
S) Gd10
E) Ex20
R) Gd10
I) Rm30
P) Rm30

Health: 80 Karma: 70
Resources: Gd Pop: 0

Known Powers:
None

Equipment:
Battle Staves: (x2) In material, Ex Blunt, the Battle Staves are capable of electrocuting an enemy with Ex Electricity
Pistol: Gd Shooting, 3 areas

Talents: Martial Arts A, B, C, E, Acrobatics, Weapon Specialist: (Battle Staves), Detective/Espionage, Guns, Military, Marksmanship, Interrogation, Multi-Lingual: (English, Japanese, Portuguese), Pilot, Motorcycles

Contacts: S.H.I.E.L.D., Lance Hunter.

Lance I simply made a more 'normal' human using the sidekick rules from 1st edition.

Lance Hunter

F) Ex20
A) Gd10
S) Gd10
E) Ex20
R) Gd10
I) Rm30
P) Gd10

Health: 60 Karma: 50
Resources: Gd Pop: 0

Known Powers:
None

Equipment:
Handgun: Gd Shooting, 3 areas

Talents: Martial Arts A, B, E, Detective/Espionage, Thief, Spy, Military, Guns Marksmanship.

Contacts: S.H.I.E.L.D., Mockingbird/Bobbi Morse.

I would agree with the vast majority of what you got here.

May being the most different. Id give her RM fighting and agility, EX Endurance.

I was thinking with Coulson, Ex Fighting, but after this weeks episode, I may agree with your RM. But he may have just been more motivated and burning through Karma. If he shows more of that, then I am with you.

Ward I would give, EX agility as he is not as quick as May, just a little more durable.

Hunter, I might give Ex agility, but still on the fence on that. I would consider his Endurance possibly RM, as he has shown he has good stamina in a fight and can take a lot of punishment.

Fitzsimmons, I think I would give both IN Reason. It has been acknowledged that Simmons is a bit smarter Fitz, and she was one of the smartest to ever graduate Shield Academy.

Fitz however has built or invented Stark level gear for Shield and that is no small feat. This includes the current (new) bus or whatever they call the new aircraft which would be classed as Amazing level tech in my opinion.

I think a current Sky (Daisy, Quake) would have Ex, Fighting and Agility. Her power level that has been exhibited would be in the Incredible range in power and quite possibly control. I almost spit out my beer when it was suggested to be Unearthly. Potentially, okay, I can see that possibility. However, that is the power to level mountains, a small nuke and much more power than one of Storm's lighting bolts or summoned hurricane. She knocked a quinjet of the carrier (with some difficulty and exertion, but that weighs about as much a Lear jet or Fighter jet, so less than 10 tons (Incredible FEAT). Flipped a few SUVs (Incredible FEAT). Flattened a couple of acres of forest (Incredible to Amazing Feat). The wood of the trees would be TY material at best, GD for some due to thickness. Anything above Amazing would have killed the Agent that shot at her, as it was very close range. Banshee of the X-Men was liquefying trees with Unearthly sonic blasts, this was just a good splintering. She did cause an avalanche, but that could have been done with a Remarkable level FEAT, Had she flattened that mountain, then we would have something to talk about.

But once again, just my opinion.

First off, let me say that I am old enough to remember you from the days when we were on the Marvel RPG email list together and I'm honored to be in the presence of such noble royalty ;-) I spent the better part of a month looking for your Avengers Forever stats...LOL

All of them worthy suggestions and truthfully, nothing that I can argue against, tv shows are all subjective anyway Although in looking back on what I did, we should also add 'Biology' to Bobbi's talents as they brought out the scientist part of the character this year...I'd still leave Reason at Good.


fiasco001 Wrote:
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> I would agree with the vast majority of what you
> got here.
>
> May being the most different. Id give her RM
> fighting and agility, EX Endurance.
>
> I was thinking with Coulson, Ex Fighting, but
> after this weeks episode, I may agree with your
> RM. But he may have just been more motivated and
> burning through Karma. If he shows more of that,
> then I am with you.
>
> Ward I would give, EX agility as he is not as
> quick as May, just a little more durable.
>
> Hunter, I might give Ex agility, but still on the
> fence on that. I would consider his Endurance
> possibly RM, as he has shown he has good stamina
> in a fight and can take a lot of punishment.
>
> Fitzsimmons, I think I would give both IN Reason.
> It has been acknowledged that Simmons is a bit
> smarter Fitz, and she was one of the smartest to
> ever graduate Shield Academy.
>
> Fitz however has built or invented Stark level
> gear for Shield and that is no small feat. This
> includes the current (new) bus or whatever they
> call the new aircraft which would be classed as
> Amazing level tech in my opinion.
>
> I think a current Sky (Daisy, Quake) would have
> Ex, Fighting and Agility. Her power level that has
> been exhibited would be in the Incredible range in
> power and quite possibly control. I almost spit
> out my beer when it was suggested to be Unearthly.
> Potentially, okay, I can see that possibility.
> However, that is the power to level mountains, a
> small nuke and much more power than one of Storm's
> lighting bolts or summoned hurricane. She knocked
> a quinjet of the carrier (with some difficulty
> and exertion, but that weighs about as much a Lear
> jet or Fighter jet, so less than 10 tons
> (Incredible FEAT). Flipped a few SUVs (Incredible
> FEAT). Flattened a couple of acres of forest
> (Incredible to Amazing Feat). The wood of the
> trees would be TY material at best, GD for some
> due to thickness. Anything above Amazing would
> have killed the Agent that shot at her, as it was
> very close range. Banshee of the X-Men was
> liquefying trees with Unearthly sonic blasts, this
> was just a good splintering. She did cause an
> avalanche, but that could have been done with a
> Remarkable level FEAT, Had she flattened that
> mountain, then we would have something to talk
> about.
>
> But once again, just my opinion.

I like the overall feel for the characters, the choice in the pictures but for some of the characters the stats are a bit elevated

So, I realized that I haven't checked back on this thread. I have taken all the notes you have made and updated them. I just want to say that for the RIPs for characters, I have been using the Alternate Ranks on this site. Due to the agents being the best of the best for S.H.I.E.L.D., I gave them Ex for Master's Degrees, not Doctorate's Degrees. Thanks for the help with my site, friends!

Remember that talents will push those Reason ranks up by +1CS, so they will be effectively Remarkable.

I always thought that Ex was the maximum a non modified human could aspire to. From memory Rm strength means you can lift a ton, so nothing regular people could do, and it was the same with all other stats. So, Incredible fighting is the same as Wolverine, and he has hundreds of years of training, getting wounded in otherwise fatal ways and recovering, heightened senses and agility to all assist him get to that level

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I always thought that Ex was the maximum a non modified human could aspire to. From memory Rm strength means you can lift a ton, so nothing regular people could do, and it was the same with all other stats. So, Incredible fighting is the same as Wolverine, and he has hundreds of years of training, getting wounded in otherwise fatal ways and recovering, heightened senses and agility to all assist him get to that level

EX is hardly the max for ordinary people. I would say that EX is probably the highest on some Abilities the average person would achieve, but it is far from being max human potential. IN in Agility is Olympic level athletes, but I guess this is more out of the range of “average person.”

The Judge’s Rulebook has benchmarks on the Abilities and the ranks. I believe it is on pg 5.

The following table on Maximum Human Potential should help...
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Forgotten about that in the Judges book. Seems pretty confusing though when both the players handbook and ultimate powers book get normal humans to roll on column 2, and at the back of the judges book all of the normal human character type NPCs also all max out at Ex, including scientists. The Mockingbird in the Judgesbook also maxs at Ex, mind you Boomerang, who is really just a normal person with nifty gadgets has Rm Ag in the same book. I'd be tempted to home-rule it if a player asked about this and I was judge. something like Ex as max, but talents provide +1, and if they have 2 related ranks at Ex then they can get +2 on the action. So, if a player has Ex in Fighting and Agility they can get +2 on fighting actions that require it, or Ex in Reason and Intuition they can get +2 on a roll of their area of expertise. In effect these people are the Mike Tysons and Nicholas Teslas of their age and as such much, much, much rarer than 1 in a 100. yeah, I know that is heresy to mess with the rules like that, but it does bug me that someone could just roll up a normal human who is capable of fighting toe to toe with wolverine. Regular ninjas, Ex +1 with their various Martial Arts Talents, Tumbling, Acrobatics , he hacks to pieces unless they get lucky or they gang up on him, but the uber ninja master, Ex +2 is a real challenge in which it could go either way.