Mister Miyagi from the Karate Kid movies.
5'3" tall. Approximate age 65 years old and 135 pounds.

Fighting: Remarkable ( Incredible in his prime )
Agility: Good ( Excellent in his prime )
Strength: Typical
Endurance: Good ( Excellent in his prime )
Reason: Typical
Intuition: Excellent
Psyche: Remarkable

Health 56 ( Prime years 86 )
Karma 56

Powers: None

Talents: Martial artists

Martial Arts A - This form of martial arts concentrates on using an opponent's strength against him, and is typical of oriental- American forms such as judo and karate. Mr. Miyagi can Stun or Slam an opponent regardless of their comparative Strengths and Endurances.

Martial Arts B - This form of martial arts is keyed on offense and inflicting damage in short, quick bursts, and includes such disciplines as boxing. Mr. Miygi gains a +1CS to Fighting ability when engaged in unarmed combat.

Martial Arts C - +1CS to his Strength for Grappling attacks (including damage), a +1CS to Strength for Escaping and a +1CS to Agility for purposes of Dodging.

Martial Arts F. A.K.A " Wax on wax off. " This martial arts focuses on circular movements and deflecting. Mr. Miygi +1CS to strength for blocking and checks vs. Slams and Stuns. This form has no offensive applications, but instead keys in on defense by outlasting the opponent.
As a bonus, his " drum technique ", Mr. Miygi gains a +2CS for the initiative to attack first upon a successful block or deflection! The " drum technique " is part of his family version of martial arts.

Martial Arts K - This martial art focuses on understanding the pressure points and weak spots of the human body. Mr. Miygi may opt to strike a target during slugfest combat with a "nerve pinch". A yellow fighting feat roll is needed (the equivalent of a slugfest "bullseye" result). Instead of doing normal damage, the target must make a successful Endurance Feat vs Remarkable Intensity or fall unconscious for 1-10 rounds. If the target is Blindsided, treat the intensity as Incredible. Note: this martial art can only be used against human targets.

Martial Arts R. - Mr. Miygi is trained to break objects with his body such as wood, bricks, blocks of ice, etc. Apply a +1CS to damage for the purpose of breaking inanimate objects only.

Teacher of the Marital Arts. Mr. Miygi is a great teacher of his family version of Martial arts, which is a mix from China and Okinawa. He can offer a karma pool of up to 30 points ( A spin-off of leadership talent ) to aid in the development of his students to aid in their teaching, but only if his students trust him implicitly.

Special Move. Crane Kick. +1CS to hit and damage.

Chi Mr. Miyagi can reduce pain or heal at his psyche rank once per day.

Other Talents, Fishing, Janitor, and Gardening.

Psyche seems really high, and nothing of the sort was really demonstrated in the films. I'd go Excellent here.

Also, personally, I don't really like the expanded Martial Arts talents. If you're going strictly off of what's listed in the Advanced Set, A,B, C (maybe), and E seem to have been actually demonstrated in the films.

The chi healing seems really high. When he healed Daniel's knee, he was still walking with a limp. I'd go -1CS from Excellent Psyche for a more acurate representation on that front.

Also, according to Miyagi, when performing the crane technique properly, there's no defense. I'd go +2CS to hit.

Miyagi had a tough life with several difficult decisions. I'm okay with a Remarkable psyche. He fled his nation knowing it would cost honor in favor of love, lost his wife due to unfair WW II treatment of Asians, and had the guts to fight 5 students at once! He also risked everything by entering a dojo full of enemies. This is a mentally strong person!

On second thought, I agree with you on the Chi healing. Excellent.

We did see Martial arts R in the film when Miygai breaks several beer bottles with his hand on a car. We also saw Martial arts F with the wax on wax off.

Regarding the craine techniqe, if you miss, you're dead meat! The last thing you want to do is to jump in the air and miss and because you have to land and regain balance. It's essentially a free shot to anyone familar with combat spots.

If you want to argue Miyagi was " a weapons specialists " with this kick, okay +2CS to hit

if you watch the second movie there was a counter to the crane kick.

As performed by Daniel, who was still learning his craft, so the argument can be made he didn't execute the technique 'properly'.

carcerdominus Wrote:
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> if you watch the second movie there was a counter
> to the crane kick.

Miyagi also demonstrated flaws. Such as drinking himself to unconsciousness on the anniversary his wife died. There's nothing in the films that he's able to resist 'outside will-dominating forces', such as mind-control. Is he mentally, tough? Sure. But he's no mystic or psychic. Excellent is described as 'some experience with mental control/mystic forces' which his chi abilities represent.


Taarna Wrote:
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> Miyagi had a tough life with several difficult
> decisions. I'm okay with a Remarkable psyche.
> He fled his nation knowing it would cost honor in
> favor of love, lost his wife due to unfair WW II
> treatment of Asians, and had the guts to fight 5
> students at once! He also risked everything by
> entering a dojo full of enemies. This is a
> mentally strong person!

CapoCastillo Wrote:
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> Miyagi also demonstrated flaws. Such as drinking
> himself to unconsciousness on the anniversary his
> wife died. There's nothing in the films that he's
> able to resist 'outside will-dominating forces',
> such as mind-control. Is he mentally, tough?
> Sure. But he's no mystic or psychic. Excellent
> is described as 'some experience with mental
> control/mystic forces' which his chi abilities
> represent.
>


>>>

Cap brings up a case study. Do you need to have a Psyche of Remarkable or higher to use magic? The answer is no! One example is the Thing. He's has a Remarkable Psyche, and uses zero magic. Psyche is defined as a characters mental strength.

The Thing also likes to drink, and sometimes gets depressed due to his appearance, just like Miyagi sometimes was depressed due to losing his wife.

But in action, the Things mentally on his game, just like Miyagi.

The Thing has gone to other dimensions where the laws of physics no longer apply, and fought Entities that devour worlds. In addition has had experience fighting off people that exert psychic control such as the Puppet Master. That's what justifies his heightened Psyche. Miyagi's never even come close to that.

CapoCastillo Wrote:
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> The Thing has gone to other dimensions where the
> laws of physics no longer apply, and fought
> Entities that devour worlds. In addition has had
> experience fighting off people that exert psychic
> control such as the Puppet Master. That's what
> justifies his heightened Psyche. Miyagi's never
> even come close to that.


So why does the Human Touch have a Psyche of Typical then, as he experienced the same?

Most martial arts master types have high psyche's, correct?

For a normal human being, Excellent is high. As far as your question regarding the Torch, his experiences counterbalance against the fact that he's never really matured, and is extremely impulsive. As well, the Thing has to live with the everpresent fact that the Thing is a literal monster, he's constantly girding himself from losing his sanity over the fact.

Again - Miyagi has never had anything even beginning to compare to the experiences that Ben Grimm has had to endure. For Miyagi, World War II and losing his wife was the pinnacle of difficulties he's had to endure. For the Thing, that was only the beginning.

I think it's deeper than just the vast amounts of crazy that the Thing has faced that gives him his high Psyche. In fact, I think the Thing has handled all that crazy so well because he has such great willpower. The most defining incident portraying Thing's strength of will was when Elder of the Universe known as the Champion of the Universe challenged a number of Earth's heroes to combat. While some heroes were disqualified for various and sometimes silly reasons (Namor for refusing training, for example) and some were just defeated outright (Colossus and Sasquatch).

But it was The Thing that stood out in Champion's mind because he lasted longer than any opponent ever before. And how did he accomplish it? He wasn't so much better a fighter than any others as was evidenced by him being defeated so easily by Champion. Nope, he believed that the fate of the world was riding on the fight and he wouldn't give up despite being brutally beaten down. Through his broken jaw, he demanded that the fight continue after Champion declared victory because he wouldn't give up... because that's who he is. The only thing he ever gives up on has been himself on occasion because he felt like a monster due to his appearance, but when the chips are down, Ben's strength of will is indomitable... (unless he's being controlled by someone with Amazing or better mind control.)

When rolling for martial artists, it's not hard to get a Remarkable Psyche. One can get an Excellent on a roll of 41

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No disrespect to Ty or Gary, but that's not really an official expansion on the writing up of martial artists. If you read page 6 of the Advanced Player's book, it's impossible to roll a Remarkable stat for normal humans.

It's impossible to roll a Remarkable for normal humans, but not Excellent... and the Excellent can be improved over time... and Miyagi had a lot of time behind him to work on his discipline as well as his skills.

On that I agree - I just don't see it for Psyche.

Thrudjelmer Wrote:
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> It's impossible to roll a Remarkable for normal
> humans, but not Excellent... and the Excellent can
> be improved over time... and Miyagi had a lot of
> time behind him to work on his discipline as well
> as his skills.

Yeah not seeing why his having a Remarkable Psyche is such a problem, particularly when you look at what the Maximum ranks are for all the FASERIP (heck going by the definition of Remarkable rank Fighting it's totally possible for someone to start with because it's said to be natural combat ability and the Maximum is Amazing).

Nightmask Wrote:
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> Thrudjelmer Wrote:
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> > It's impossible to roll a Remarkable for normal
> > humans, but not Excellent... and the Excellent
> can
> > be improved over time... and Miyagi had a lot
> of
> > time behind him to work on his discipline as
> well
> > as his skills.
>
> Yeah not seeing why his having a Remarkable Psyche
> is such a problem, particularly when you look at
> what the Maximum ranks are for all the FASERIP
> (heck going by the definition of Remarkable rank
> Fighting it's totally possible for someone to
> start with because it's said to be natural combat
> ability and the Maximum is Amazing).



I saw the movie again as it was on Direct TV. Amazing film.

One thing I forgot to add for Mr. Miyagi was he won what appears to be the Medal of Honor, show in the scene where he mourns the loss of his wife and child, an unthinkable event for anyone who's married. Daniel is holding it.

The Japanese have a tradition where they mourn the death for years, so it's just in his culture.

Anyway, the Medal of Honor is the United States of America's highest military honor, awarded for personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty. Most of the awards as given posthumously. Few back then were given to minorities.

This shows Miyagi fought for a country who didn't exactly treat him well by relocating his family to a camp, and showed bravery and leadership above and beyond mere mortal men. It would take a special person with great mental strength to overcome this type of bigotry and adversary for his newly adopted home

You could actually argue this type of mental strength would require a Remarkable or above level Psyche.

Sensei John Kreese from the Karate Kid Movie. A ruthless and bigoted karate master, and owner of the Cobra Kai Dojo. USA Army karate champion 1970-1972


We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak! Here, in the streets, in competition. A man confronts you, he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy."

―John Kreese to his students, teaching his strike hard strike first method of karate

Fighting: Remarkable
Agility: Good
Strength: Good
Endurance: Excellent
Reason: Good
Intuition: Good
Psyche Excellent

Health:70
Karma: 40

Powers: none

Talents.

Military talent. Army green beret training, survival, guns +1CS,
Marital Arts A, B, F,
Leadership. 50 bonus karma points for his followers
Intimidation
First Aid

Weakness: Sadistic Ego. When enraged Kreese suffers a -2CS on reason rolls, and has -1CS on all initiative rolls. He must also make a green psyche feat roll to snap out of it.

Mister Miyagi also served in the military

Since real life martial artists learn a form of mental discipline maybe lower the Psyche score and give Miyagi a Talent that boosts the effects of his Psyche back up?

That would work too.

I still like Remarkable for his psyche as his mental strength, courage, and patience were developed through years of life and practice. Taking on 5 guys at once, and then walling into the dojo with 15 plus the master alone with just a boy who got his rear end kicked proves this.


Miyagi was a hero. Maybe not super, but martial arts and war hero for sure.