In fairness, most dice rollers I've seen online skew high or low. it's rare that I find one that seems to truly follow the law of averages.

There is of course the other thing in regards to that. Some folks don't roll up characters for MSHRPG... like myself. I exclusively use the CP system.

The two characters I mentioned of mine are from Mr Happy's 1200 CP game. I didn't roll any of the stats. I built them.

CapoCastillo Wrote:
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> In fairness, most dice rollers I've seen online
> skew high or low. it's rare that I find one that
> seems to truly follow the law of averages.

As far as I know you aren't ever going to find truly random numbers from computers, they even call them 'pseudo-random number generators' because they give the appearance of randomness but not the true essence of it. So it's quite likely someone using a computer-based dice roller will see an unlikely run of great or bad luck that belies belief for what people know from experience rolling dice in the real world.

Vrykolas2k Wrote:
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> Punstarr Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vrykolas2k Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The idea is fine, except for the number of
> Dice
> > > Jesuses that I expect would start to post...
> >
> > Dice Jesuses?
>
>
> People who routinely manage to roll up improbably
> high stats and powers, as if by miracle... far
> more common on the 'net than in real life, I might
> add.

Well if they're rolling where everyone's able to see could be they are that lucky, after all with tens of thousands if not an order of magnitude more of people online playing various games with dice involved law of averages will have it that some people will fall into the good end of the curve, and others who never seem able to roll up a decent character.

Okay, I made a team... so, how would it do against some canon or home-brews?
[www.classicmarvelforever.com]

To Vrykolas…..


I think your Home-Brews are fairly much even with the X-Men…….

Not too over board on Powers and makes for a good complementing Team -=VS=- X-Men level Stuff….


Each Character sorta fits an ‘Archetype’ and Theme and Concept….. They’re not ALL over the place with CRAZY Whacked-Out Powers in weird combinations……

Meaning you put some Real thought into this team, rather than just scour the UPB for those ‘I Win’ Roll-Play-Powers….


Again, great Character Materials for a ‘Story’ Role-Play Game rather than just a ‘Roll-Play’ Game of Fighting Dice…. VERY good Characters for most Gaming Tables….


I think these guys would be a good mix with my Cast of “CGI-Strike-Force” Guys….. (Well, these Guys maybe a little over the top)

GCI-Strike Force

OR

These Castlevania Characters I’m listing here…. (Maybe these guys are a more balanced Match-Up)

Castlevania Characters


Sorry: I know, I tend to go overboard on my Write-Up-Pages….. But that’s what happens when you play a game-table where people ‘Roll-Play’ instead of ‘Role-Play’…..


Archon:
As the Battle Leader (Cool Name BTW)…. Nice; He’s part Tank and Part Electricity Blaster… The mix of a Traditional ‘Warrior’…. However, he earns his team’s loyalty through true-grit and staying focused on the important priorities…..

This guy leads from the ‘Front-Lines’ square in the heat of battle…. He might stumble and get the wind KTFO his chest; but Mission Failure is not part of the G-D-Damn equation for him….. The ONLY reason he backs out of a Fight is to get a better vantage point……

He’d be able to scrap toe-to-toe with most of the X-Men (Him Solo -=VS=- 2 or 3 X-Men)…. And take them out if he goes 1-on-1…. Guys like Wolverine, Colossus, Cyclopes, and Rogue will be the tuff “Boss” fights….

But again…. Archon knows this would be a Battle of Attrition…. Basically figuring out how to divide and conquer and separate the Enemy Team….


Myra Anne Jackson:
I take it she is the ‘Intel / Recon’ Specialist…. While not swinging a War-Hammer in the Battle-Field, she is a ‘MUST-HAVE’ asset to Archon’s Team….. She knows all the little Secrets, and Plans, and Tactics, and Crap like that…

She is basically the ‘Lil Angel’ on the Team’s shoulder…. When sh-t gets hairy she can launch the Particle Beam Cannon from a Satellite in Orbit……..

KA-BOOM!!!!!

However, she has to spend most of her mission time secured in a Battle-Bunker of some sort…. If she gets captured by the Enemy, Archon’s team loses 1/2 the battle….. “Knowing is 1/2 the Battle”…. That cheezy-ass GI.Joe line can save yur-ass….


Gothique:
Another ‘Great’ Character…. Maybe just a tad too low for the X-men… But they have Jubilee, who manages to ‘Fight’ with the X-Men as well; so I guess it works out……

Gothique is the ‘Support’ character…. She / He (I dunno) is that extra little touch the gives Archon’s Team a Razor’s Edge….

She has to keep her distance and not really ‘Throw-Down’ Directly with the enemy…. But She can put a ‘Stop’ to most Enemies and allow the Warrior Guys to go in and ‘KICK-AZZ’…..

Also her Dimensional / Darkness Power can be a saving grace as She can basically pull injured team-mates out of a fight, so they can recover and head back in at Full Juice……

That damn near makes the Team an Unstoppable Force….. Or an Unmovable Object……


Rosebriar:
For the most part, this Character is similar to Gothique….. But uses ‘Plant / Foliage’ elements rather than 'Dimensional / Darkness' elements……

She is the second ‘Edge’ on the other side of the Double-Bided Sword….


Dreadnought:
Ok….This guy is the Team’s Primary-Damage-Magnet AND Mighty ‘TANK’….. This homeboy walks straight into attacks, blocking with his face to effectively become a ‘Meat-Shield’ so others don’t have too…….

He’s probably the funny one as well… (Comic Relief)….. Getting clobbered in the nugget repeatedly makes people act stupid and funny….. None the less, Other Characters will under estimate his ‘Intelligence’ and write-him-off as a Brain-Dead ‘TANK’…..

However, he probably comes up with all great tactical ideas…. Getting beat all black-n-blue ‘Forces’ one to think tactically…..

“Naw man, I just took 50 to 80 Power-Blasts to my nugget at Point-Blank Range…. We gonna around this time”

I can see this Guy ‘BRAWLING’ with X-Men Colossus to a staggering stalemate….. Both haffta back-off an come in the reinforcements…..


Darkangel and Wolvan:
OK…. Your team is basically a little battle-ship of 6-mean-mo-foes….. These two guys are the friggen POP-UP Gatlon Guns that deal most of the damage to the other team……

They are the Feisty-Short-Tempered ‘Scrappers’ and have most the offensive weaponry….. They also a have HUGE Ego and like Archon “Failure is NOT a Friggen Option”…..

However, they gotta tactically battle and isolate the other team members…. They can’t just stand and hold their ground like Archon and Dreadnought (The TANKS)…..

Darkangel and Wolvan are the two guys that really plow the battle path for Archon’s team…. It’s just not blatantly obvious during the maneuvers…..

Darkangel and Wolvan run forward, fight a little bit, and haffta run back to the other four…. Suckering the opposing team into a ‘KILL-SAK’



End result:

I see this Team putting up a ‘Great’ ROLE-Play Game for ‘X-Man’ level Cannon Characters…. I think that would also include the likes of the ‘Avengers’ / ‘Brother-hood’ / and maybe ‘The 4’ and Many of PowerSurge's Home-Brews…….

Actually: they would probably defeat the X-Men in a Straight up ‘Death-Match-Battle-Royal’….

Most of the other Home Brews I’ve read here at Classic Marvel would be an unfair match-up… But I haven’t looked at ALL of the Home Brews….

TankerAce Wrote:
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> A few questions on the
>
> Weapon Alpha -=VS=- PowerSurge
> ... (snip) ...
> Is W-Alpha’s Flight only provided by his
> ‘Graviton / Teleportation’…..????
>

I just did some checking on that and, indeed, the Weapon Alpha battlesuit can reach speeds of up to Mach 1, ie. Shift X, via the suits electro-magnetic capabilities.

However when he aligns with the rotational force of the Earth, he can travel considerably faster ... west. lol

I was more of a sporadic fan of the title after Mac died, and then they started messing with Sasquatch, but I have never seen the suit use the gravitational thing outside of Weapon Alpha's first appearance WAY back in the early 100's of UXM (108?). And indeed he used it to make a quick exit; though not before dropping Wolvie like a load of brocks, knocking him TF out cold, only to be confronted by the entire X-Men. and he held his own, before a stray shot clipped Moira and Banshee got mighty angry. I thought some people might appreciate me mentioned how Wolverine got KTFO ... in short order. I'd offer up scans but, no scanner.

But yeah, Weapon Alpha appears to have a HUGE advatnage in terms of speed that I didn't consider at first. I thought, using Northstar and Aurora as a refernce, that he only hung around Incredible without the gravitational thing.

Of course, as Powersurge well knows, between his X-Men training and his U.N.: Protectors training, just like in melee, A person has to close the distance before they can strike. And while Mac has speed, Powersurge has range. Both are matched in ariel agility, though Powersurge's overall ariel combat skills are much more refined than Mac's; as one might expect from a pure combatant/tactician trained by the best the U.N. had to offer. In contrast Mac is more scientist than combatant, and is very conscious of it ... but it didn't stop him from knocking Wolvie TF out!

>
> AM:50 Armor to Energy only…… but it’s still
> ‘Re-Active’ and would provide at least EX:20
> Armor to other types of conventional
> attacks……. Even possibly providing GD:10
> ‘True Invul’ to ALL and ANY attacks… Combine
> that with his Attire Armor and PowerSurge pretty
> much has RM:30 Armor over-all….
>

Nope. Powersurge's energy sheathe only protects him from "soft" energy like fire or electricity, but provides no protection vs. "hard" energy/force attacks and physical attacks; other than causing Am energy damage to anything coming in contact with it. His only defense against physical/force attacks is his Excellent crash armour.


> I still say PowerSurge would WIN, but it takes
> more effort on his behalf…. PowerSurge simply
> has the more Powerful ‘Cannons’ and Weaponry
> at MN:75… Plus the self-detonation at SY:200….

Hehehe ... but no, the pulse-blaster shouldn't even be considered. For one, the chances for grievous colloateral damage is too high. And two, it hurts. It not only hurts, it is potentially life threatening. It hurts like a massive heart attack hurts. Ir could do permanent damage to his entire nervous system or kill him. NO frivolous pulse-blasting! lol

But yeah, Powersurge hits almost twice as hard as Mac. He can easily get more than one attack while in the air, and thus can perform dodge/attack combos, and he has received the greater training in terms of ariel combat and tactics. I dare say that he also has the greater combat experience and a warrior mentality. He has his doubts, just not in combat or in high pressure situations.

I hate to say it, but Mac died because he spent too much time self-chatting about stuff that had nothing to do with the dire task before him ... defusing his suit that was about to explode. If he had of focused ... well, the difference was a second or less. Thats all it would have took. A second quicker and Mac would never have died. And Heather would have opened the door to run into his arms rather than watch him get incinerated.

Focus people!!!

Powersurge tends to come alive under pressure, and all resources are marshalled to the task at hand. And hey, when things like the continued existence of the world are at stake, there's no time and no right to be thinking of personal concerns ... and potentially allowing them to distract you for that one split second ... that one fateful second on which succcess or failure might well hinge.

I agree that it would be a very tactical fight. Powersurge and Weapon Alpha balance out in alot of ways, but this only serves to underscore the fact that Mac is only dealing out 20 damage per hit, while PS is dealing out 35 per hit looms quite large.

If Mac was both prepared and battle-smart what he would do is use his speed to get and stay in Powersurge's face, rely on his forcefield to absorb the brunt of PS' s energy sheathe, without kneejerking away from it, and go to work with his HTH attacks. The same one that knocked Wolvie TF out! Powersurge can't amp his strength without turning off his flight and energy sheathe, and no matter, because Mac's sheath can take an Incredilbe punch. Atthe same time if Mac crowds PS it's going to make it difficult to get off a shot ... meaning PS will be forced to punch, or utilize his judo, at regualr strength, but with his energy sheathe still around his fists and body causing damage on contact.

With this, Mac would be causing 20 per hit, but taking 10 from his own attack and then another 10 from PS's. Of course, be it from the result of a slam or just achieving enough chance separation, Powersurge is inevitably going to fire off a blast or two, or three or four.

Theoretically, I believe Mac could win under ideal conditions. But given Mac's character and training, the odds aren't in his favour.

Thanx for the assessment; I was going for balanced and role-play friendly, not "My team can squash ten Hulks with Leader-like intelligence and Iron Man's talents!!!111!!one!!1!".
I'd like to add a bit more background and personality and the like, but the edit feature on this site is a scoche weird.
Oh, and Gothique is female (Simone, not Simon).




TankerAce Wrote:
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> To Vrykolas…..
>
>
> I think your Home-Brews are fairly much even with
> the X-Men…….
>
> Not too over board on Powers and makes for a good
> complementing Team -=VS=- X-Men level Stuff….
>
>
> Each Character sorta fits an ‘Archetype’ and
> Theme and Concept….. They’re not ALL over the
> place with CRAZY Whacked-Out Powers in weird
> combinations……
>
> Meaning you put some Real thought into this team,
> rather than just scour the UPB for those ‘I
> Win’ Roll-Play-Powers….
>
>
> Again, great Character Materials for a ‘Story’
> Role-Play Game rather than just a ‘Roll-Play’
> Game of Fighting Dice…. VERY good Characters for
> most Gaming Tables….
>
>
> I think these guys would be a good mix with my
> Cast of “CGI-Strike-Force” Guys….. (Well,
> these Guys maybe a little over the top)
>
> GCI-Strike Force
>
> OR
>
> These Castlevania Characters I’m listing
> here…. (Maybe these guys are a more balanced
> Match-Up)
>
> Castlevania Characters
>
>
> Sorry: I know, I tend to go overboard on my
> Write-Up-Pages….. But that’s what happens when
> you play a game-table where people ‘Roll-Play’
> instead of ‘Role-Play’…..
>
>
> Archon:
> As the Battle Leader (Cool Name BTW)…. Nice;
> He’s part Tank and Part Electricity Blaster…
> The mix of a Traditional ‘Warrior’….
> However, he earns his team’s loyalty through
> true-grit and staying focused on the important
> priorities…..
>
> This guy leads from the ‘Front-Lines’ square
> in the heat of battle…. He might stumble and get
> the wind KTFO his chest; but Mission Failure is
> not part of the G-D-Damn equation for him….. The
> ONLY reason he backs out of a Fight is to get a
> better vantage point……
>
> He’d be able to scrap toe-to-toe with most of
> the X-Men (Him Solo -=VS=- 2 or 3 X-Men)…. And
> take them out if he goes 1-on-1…. Guys like
> Wolverine, Colossus, Cyclopes, and Rogue will be
> the tuff “Boss” fights….
>
> But again…. Archon knows this would be a Battle
> of Attrition…. Basically figuring out how to
> divide and conquer and separate the Enemy Team….
>
>
>
> Myra Anne Jackson:
> I take it she is the ‘Intel / Recon’
> Specialist…. While not swinging a War-Hammer in
> the Battle-Field, she is a ‘MUST-HAVE’ asset
> to Archon’s Team….. She knows all the little
> Secrets, and Plans, and Tactics, and Crap like
> that…
>
> She is basically the ‘Lil Angel’ on the
> Team’s shoulder…. When sh-t gets hairy she can
> launch the Particle Beam Cannon from a Satellite
> in Orbit……..
>
> KA-BOOM!!!!!
>
> However, she has to spend most of her mission time
> secured in a Battle-Bunker of some sort…. If she
> gets captured by the Enemy, Archon’s team loses
> 1/2 the battle….. “Knowing is 1/2 the
> Battle”…. That cheezy-ass GI.Joe line can save
> yur-ass….
>
>
> Gothique:
> Another ‘Great’ Character…. Maybe just a tad
> too low for the X-men… But they have Jubilee,
> who manages to ‘Fight’ with the X-Men as well;
> so I guess it works out……
>
> Gothique is the ‘Support’ character…. She /
> He (I dunno) is that extra little touch the gives
> Archon’s Team a Razor’s Edge….
>
> She has to keep her distance and not really
> ‘Throw-Down’ Directly with the enemy…. But
> She can put a ‘Stop’ to most Enemies and allow
> the Warrior Guys to go in and ‘KICK-AZZ’…..
>
> Also her Dimensional / Darkness Power can be a
> saving grace as She can basically pull injured
> team-mates out of a fight, so they can recover and
> head back in at Full Juice……
>
> That damn near makes the Team an Unstoppable
> Force….. Or an Unmovable Object……
>
>
> Rosebriar:
> For the most part, this Character is similar to
> Gothique….. But uses ‘Plant / Foliage’
> elements rather than 'Dimensional / Darkness'
> elements……
>
> She is the second ‘Edge’ on the other side of
> the Double-Bided Sword….
>
>
> Dreadnought:
> Ok….This guy is the Team’s
> Primary-Damage-Magnet AND Mighty ‘TANK’…..
> This homeboy walks straight into attacks, blocking
> with his face to effectively become a
> ‘Meat-Shield’ so others don’t have
> too…….
>
> He’s probably the funny one as well… (Comic
> Relief)….. Getting clobbered in the nugget
> repeatedly makes people act stupid and funny…..
> None the less, Other Characters will under
> estimate his ‘Intelligence’ and write-him-off
> as a Brain-Dead ‘TANK’…..
>
> However, he probably comes up with all great
> tactical ideas…. Getting beat all black-n-blue
> ‘Forces’ one to think tactically…..
>
> “Naw man, I just took 50 to 80 Power-Blasts to
> my nugget at Point-Blank Range…. We gonna around
> this time”
>
> I can see this Guy ‘BRAWLING’ with X-Men
> Colossus to a staggering stalemate….. Both
> haffta back-off an come in the
> reinforcements…..
>
>
> Darkangel and Wolvan:
> OK…. Your team is basically a little battle-ship
> of 6-mean-mo-foes….. These two guys are the
> friggen POP-UP Gatlon Guns that deal most of the
> damage to the other team……
>
> They are the Feisty-Short-Tempered ‘Scrappers’
> and have most the offensive weaponry….. They
> also a have HUGE Ego and like Archon “Failure is
> NOT a Friggen Option”…..
>
> However, they gotta tactically battle and isolate
> the other team members…. They can’t just stand
> and hold their ground like Archon and Dreadnought
> (The TANKS)…..
>
> Darkangel and Wolvan are the two guys that really
> plow the battle path for Archon’s team….
> It’s just not blatantly obvious during the
> maneuvers…..
>
> Darkangel and Wolvan run forward, fight a little
> bit, and haffta run back to the other four….
> Suckering the opposing team into a ‘KILL-SAK’
>
>
>
> End result:
>
> I see this Team putting up a ‘Great’ ROLE-Play
> Game for ‘X-Man’ level Cannon Characters…. I
> think that would also include the likes of the
> ‘Avengers’ / ‘Brother-hood’ / and maybe
> ‘The 4’ and Many of PowerSurge's
> Home-Brews…….
>
> Actually: they would probably defeat the X-Men in
> a Straight up ‘Death-Match-Battle-Royal’….
>
> Most of the other Home Brews I’ve read here at
> Classic Marvel would be an unfair match-up… But
> I haven’t looked at ALL of the Home Brews….

Just curious regarding the outcome on a one on one outcome of this match up.

I thought the homebrew heroes idea could involve any homebrew. Were we intending for just lower powered characters?

Here's a lower powered character of mine named Force. Gene was cool enough to redefine his powers for his game for me, even though I eventually had to sadly drop out of said game. Let me know who you think would be a good match for him.

FORCE

Kane Marshal-Lee

DESCRIPTION
HEIGHT: 5'11"
WEIGHT: 170 lbs
EYES: Blue
HAIR: Blond
SKIN: Somewhere between Caucasian and Asian
AGE: 17

STATS
FIGHTING: Ex-20
AGILITY: Rm-30
STRENGTH: Ty-06 / In-40 w Exoskeleton active
ENDURANCE: In-40
REASON: Ex-20
INTUITION: Gd-10
PSYCHE: Ex-20
APPEARANCE: Gd-10

HEALTH: 96
KARMA: 50
RESOURCES: Fe-02
POPULARITY: +0

TALENTS: 2
1-*Student

CONTACTS: 1
1-X-Men


POWERS:
1-Energy Sheath: Psychokinetic Exoskeleton : In-40
-Currently limited to psychokinetic energy, other types are stuntable.
-Appears as translucent field of golden energy roughly humanoid in
shape superimposed on his form, and of slightly greater size.
-In-40 defense vs Physical/Energy/Environmental
-Mn-75 defense vs Psionics
-Ex-20 vs Plasma, Energy Conversion, Energy Control
-Damage to sheath does not effect his health.
-If sheath is destroyed, must make Red Feat to regain it.
-Sheath is not automatically destroyed by being breached,
it must be specifically targeted.


2-*Telekinesis/Energy Solidification: Energy Sheath: In-40
-Strength and Material Strength are reduced 1cs per Area beyond first
-Effect: Can solidify and manipulate form of energy sheathe to simulate In-40 Strength (No Health Change) as well as reshaping it to stretch vast distances (With a resulting loss of effective strength and material strength) and also form edges, blocks and other geometric shapes. Has enough control to actually form likenesses and simple machinery, though it allways appears as translucent field of golden energy.

4-True Flight: Rm-30
-Currently limited to simulate vast leaping ability when Energy Sheathe is active.
-Speed: 15 Areas/Round 225 MPH
-Effectively Sh-Z leaping

5-*Invulnerability: Jubilee's Powers: Class-1000

Flaming Fox vs. Powersurge ...

The really is no contest here. Powersurge is a mega-energy generator, but thats it. Flaming Fox is much more versatile, and between his flight speed, shrinking, sonic attacks, durabilty and armour, and his massive strength, Powersurge simply can't compete.

Powersurge is to Flaming Fox as Flaming Fox is to the Silver Surfer.

I would have thought that with these powers alone that powersurge would stand a very good chance against flaming fox.

1) Energy Generation: Mn.
â 2) Energy Sheathe: Am, provides rank level protection vs. energy attacks, causes rank level damage to incoming attacks.
â 3) Flight: while the energy sheathe is up, Powersurge can fly at Rm speeds.
â 4) Hyper-Strength: In(36) strength for 3 + 1 - 10 turns; cannot not use generation of sheathe without immedaitely dispelling strength.
â 5) Pulse Blast: Shift Y damage to everything in a 1 area radius around him, but all stats and powers immediately drop to Fe for 1 - 10 rounds, returning at a rate of +1CS/round.
â 6) Body Armour: prvides Ex protection vs all physical and energy attacks.

If he was to maintain a distance and avoid physical contact then he would stand a chance of defeating flaming fox.
But even if it was toe to toe, powersurges energy sheath would still be quite a task to take him down.
â 

Punstarr Wrote:
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> I thought the homebrew heroes idea could involve
> any homebrew. Were we intending for just lower
> powered characters?
>
> Here's a lower powered character of mine named
> Force. Gene was cool enough to redefine his
> powers for his game for me, even though I
> eventually had to sadly drop out of said game.
> Let me know who you think would be a good match
> for him.
>
> FORCE
>
> Kane Marshal-Lee
>
> DESCRIPTION
> HEIGHT: 5'11"
> WEIGHT: 170 lbs
> EYES: Blue
> HAIR: Blond
> SKIN: Somewhere between Caucasian and Asian
> AGE: 17
>
> STATS
> FIGHTING: Ex-20
> AGILITY: Rm-30
> STRENGTH: Ty-06 / In-40 w Exoskeleton active
> ENDURANCE: In-40
> REASON: Ex-20
> INTUITION: Gd-10
> PSYCHE: Ex-20
> APPEARANCE: Gd-10
>
> HEALTH: 96
> KARMA: 50
> RESOURCES: Fe-02
> POPULARITY: +0
>
> TALENTS: 2
> 1-*Student
>
> CONTACTS: 1
> 1-X-Men
>
>
> POWERS:
> 1-Energy Sheath: Psychokinetic Exoskeleton :
> In-40
> -Currently limited to psychokinetic energy, other
> types are stuntable.
> -Appears as translucent field of golden energy
> roughly humanoid in
> shape superimposed on his form, and of slightly
> greater size.
> -In-40 defense vs Physical/Energy/Environmental
> -Mn-75 defense vs Psionics
> -Ex-20 vs Plasma, Energy Conversion, Energy
> Control
> -Damage to sheath does not effect his health.
> -If sheath is destroyed, must make Red Feat to
> regain it.
> -Sheath is not automatically destroyed by being
> breached,
> it must be specifically targeted.
>
>
> 2-*Telekinesis/Energy Solidification: Energy
> Sheath: In-40
> -Strength and Material Strength are reduced 1cs
> per Area beyond first
> -Effect: Can solidify and manipulate form of
> energy sheathe to simulate In-40 Strength (No
> Health Change) as well as reshaping it to stretch
> vast distances (With a resulting loss of effective
> strength and material strength) and also form
> edges, blocks and other geometric shapes. Has
> enough control to actually form likenesses and
> simple machinery, though it allways appears as
> translucent field of golden energy.
>
> 4-True Flight: Rm-30
> -Currently limited to simulate vast leaping
> ability when Energy Sheathe is active.
> -Speed: 15 Areas/Round 225 MPH
> -Effectively Sh-Z leaping
>
> 5-*Invulnerability: Jubilee's Powers: Class-1000


Erm... This is LOW powered?
I'd say middle, but low?
Hmmm.

It's low X-Men level... which in the Marvel Universe is fairly low powered.

What do you want, Forbush Man? o.O

Here is one of my characters i like to use in a campaign. He has alot of room to develop power stunts so that is always fun:


PACHA

Ayar Anca

DESCRIPTION
HEIGHT: 5'10"
WEIGHT: 180 lbs
EYES: Brown
HAIR: Black
SKIN: Tan
AGE: 19

STATS
FIGHTING: Rm-30
AGILITY: Rm-30
STRENGTH: Ex-20
ENDURANCE: In-40
REASON: Gd-10
INTUITION: Ex-20
PSYCHE: Ex-20


HEALTH: 120
KARMA: 50
RESOURCES: Pr-04
POPULARITY: +0

TALENTS:
Catastrophism
Sharp Weapons

CONTACTS:
Inca Indians

POWERS:
Spacetime Continuum Control: Rm-30
Pacha has control over Spacetime. He has developed a few power stunts already with ultimately developing the ability to control time itself.
- Dimension Travel
- Teleport Self
- Teleport Others
- Space Manipulation: - 2CS to hit Pacha
- Regeneration
- Damage Transferral - Heals someone with own Health then Heals self at Power Rank
- Disruption - Power Rank damage to non-organic items; Material Strength of Item to determine Feat
1) It takes one round to use power. Must use Continuum Control First Round, then Power Stunt in next
2) May Perform more than one power at a time. Power Rank is distributed among the Powers involved.

Future Power Stunts to develop:
- Intangiability
- Regathering
- Time Control
- Hyper Speed
- Duplication
- Precognition
- Clairovoyance

WEAPONS:
Antarctic Vibranium Macanas (star headed spear): Inc Material Strength. Ex-20 damage ignore body armor under Am-50

Just out of curiosity can you explain how some of the above developed powerstunts actually work?

Punstarr Wrote:
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> It's low X-Men level... which in the Marvel
> Universe is fairly low powered.
>
> What do you want, Forbush Man? o.O


No lol, but I consider the X-Men to be a bit better than low powered, really.
I consider them to be mid-to high-powered, on average.

Well some of the X-Men are in the Monstrous range, like Cyclops or Iceman... but many of them are limited in that they have only one power. They may be able to use that one power in more than one way, but they only have one power. Force is the same way.

It just seems like I submit a few characters and get told essentially "they're too powerful for this thread", so I submit a lower powered character and still get told he's too powerful. The two characters I submitted are fairly powerful, but they were both created via a CP system for an actual game that's being run by a respected member of this community. I thought this was just going to be a fun little thing... I said from the getgo 'do we want to have a set CP amount for everyone's homebrews so there's no discrepancies folks can get upset about', but no one said anything... so I assumed that meant anything goes.

I'm not trying to complain... I'm just trying to understand what people want from this thread. What's the limit on what's "reasonable"?

Punstarr Wrote:
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> It just seems like I submit a few characters and
> get told essentially "they're too powerful for
> this thread", so I submit a lower powered
> character and still get told he's too powerful.
> The two characters I submitted are fairly
> powerful, but they were both created via a CP
> system for an actual game that's being run by a
> respected member of this community. I thought
> this was just going to be a fun little thing... I
> said from the getgo 'do we want to have a set CP
> amount for everyone's homebrews so there's no
> discrepancies folks can get upset about', but no
> one said anything... so I assumed that meant
> anything goes.

You aren't going to eliminate discrepancies looking to shoehorn things into counting up points, but as far as rules go this thread's rules are no different than what you see in the canon battle royale thread. Take a homebrew of yours and suggest a match-up with a canon or homebrew character of someone else's and provide if you wish possible battle scenarios regarding who'd most likely win. Of course this comes up against the subconscious desire to want to pit your homebrew against characters they'd most likely win against rather than characters who would be sufficient challenge to have victory in doubt.

Punstarr Wrote:
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> Well some of the X-Men are in the Monstrous range,
> like Cyclops or Iceman... but many of them are
> limited in that they have only one power. They
> may be able to use that one power in more than one
> way, but they only have one power. Force is the
> same way.
>
> It just seems like I submit a few characters and
> get told essentially "they're too powerful for
> this thread", so I submit a lower powered
> character and still get told he's too powerful.
> The two characters I submitted are fairly
> powerful, but they were both created via a CP
> system for an actual game that's being run by a
> respected member of this community. I thought
> this was just going to be a fun little thing... I
> said from the getgo 'do we want to have a set CP
> amount for everyone's homebrews so there's no
> discrepancies folks can get upset about', but no
> one said anything... so I assumed that meant
> anything goes.
>
> I'm not trying to complain... I'm just trying to
> understand what people want from this thread.
> What's the limit on what's "reasonable"?


That wasn't my complaint, I was just opining that it didn't seem like a low-powered character to me.
I guess some people just have a different view of what is or isn't powerful, or exactly where certain characters fall in power range.

Punstarr…

Just throw in ‘Whatever’ you want; be it a……..

+ 1972 Ford Pinto with 4 Banger and 3 on-da-flo- with sticky clutch…

OR

+ 2015 Lamborghini Reventon with Cold Fusion V-12 and Infinite Ratio CVT…


I’d say your two Characters are on par with Supa-Man, Dark-Sied, Gladiator, Silver-Surfer… guys of that level…. So powerful they fight over Galaxies, Planets, and crap that spans over 900 billion light years wide….

While they are Powerful, they usually end-up battling guys who are WAY-DA-HELL-OVER their abilities….

Your ‘Force’ and ‘MindStorm’ Characters are Power Houses, but I do have some questions…

Not trying to be offensive, but they seem like very 1-Dimentional Characters….. Meaning, they have ALL that Power….. But they only use it in a few specific manners….

I mean ‘Force’ only has ‘Eye-Beams’ for his offensive weaponry and 110 Karma…. As for the rest of him he’s a SZ:500 Rocket Packed ‘TANK’ that seems to rely on Brawling more so than Brains….


And Mindstorm seems to be the exact opposite ‘Archetype’ (not COH Archetype, but an actual story Archetype)…. I mean Mindstorm is a SX:150 Psychic, but he totally forgot about psychically enhancing his body….


When I first read the two Characters I thought they were the same guy at one point…. That they ‘Split’ and Force got all the Physical Stuff and MindStorm got all the mental stuff….


Anyway: The two Characters are written-up in Traditional Comic-Book Form…. Meaning they seem to be just learning their true potential as ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’….

I’d say that these two Characters would be a good Game Match-Up with some of my P.W.R. Characters….

P.W.R. Characters

I know most people look at my Characters and say “Whoa, over-done with information over-load”

TankerAce Wrote:
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> Punstarr…
>
> Just throw in ‘Whatever’ you want; be it
> a……..
>
> + 1972 Ford Pinto with 4 Banger and 3 on-da-flo-
> with sticky clutch…
>
> OR
>
> + 2015 Lamborghini Reventon with Cold Fusion V-12
> and Infinite Ratio CVT…

That's the initial impression I got.

>
> I’d say your two Characters are on par with
> Supa-Man, Dark-Sied, Gladiator, Silver-Surfer…
> guys of that level…. So powerful they fight over
> Galaxies, Planets, and crap that spans over 900
> billion light years wide….

While Streak is up there, I'd have to disagree that he's on par with Superman, Darkseid or the Silver Surfer. Supes can boost his strength to Shift Y levels and would pummel Streak senseless. Darkseid has a Class 1000 attack... No chance for Streak there if Darkseid got serious. Silver Surfer is faster, physically similar and has more energy powers than you can shake a planet at. For Mr Happy's game one player tried to make a Herald of Galactus but found that 1200 CPs wasn't anywhere near enough to make even a "weak" Herald. Gladiator maybe, though the two couldn't really hurt one another by Gladiator's listed stats. The only reason Gladiator is possibly a good match up is his lack of Superspeed, which both the Surfer and Superman have.

>
> While they are Powerful, they usually end-up
> battling guys who are WAY-DA-HELL-OVER their
> abilities….
>
> Your ‘Force’ and ‘MindStorm’ Characters
> are Power Houses, but I do have some questions…

I'm wondering where anyone is getting the idea that Force is somehow a "powerhouse". He's a guy with a forcefield exoskeleton and superstrength, both of which are capped at Incredible. -Incredible-. A guy like Colossus or the Thing would cream him with their eyes closed.

>
>
> Not trying to be offensive, but they seem like
> very 1-Dimentional Characters….. Meaning, they
> have ALL that Power….. But they only use it in a
> few specific manners….

If that's the case, the X-Men as a whole are one dimensional as well.

>
> I mean ‘Force’ only has ‘Eye-Beams’ for
> his offensive weaponry and 110 Karma…. As for
> the rest of him he’s a SZ:500 Rocket Packed
> ‘TANK’ that seems to rely on Brawling more so
> than Brains….

I think you meant Streak.

A "Rocket Packed ‘TANK’ that seems to rely on Brawling more so than Brains"...

Sounds like Superman. He seems to do alright.

The point is, you have no idea how I play him or use his Martial Arts Talents... which is one reason why this whole thread is probably doomed to fail. We're asking others to judge how they think our homebrewed characters will fare against so-and-so, when all the folks we're asking to judge things have to go on is a sheet with stats. No comic book appearances, no nothing.

>
>
> And Mindstorm seems to be the exact opposite
> ‘Archetype’ (not COH Archetype, but an actual
> story Archetype)…. I mean Mindstorm is a SX:150
> Psychic, but he totally forgot about psychically
> enhancing his body….

Well his powers are why he has an Unearthly Endurance (though he does still tire as though he had an Endurance of around Excellent), and he does use a Force Field to protect himself from harm.

>
>
> When I first read the two Characters I thought
> they were the same guy at one point…. That they
> ‘Split’ and Force got all the Physical Stuff
> and MindStorm got all the mental stuff….

Again, you probably meant Streak.

It's two wholly separate concepts. It's like saying "well at first I thought Professor X and the Hulk were the same guy... one got all the physical stuff and the other got all the mental stuff".

>
>
> Anyway: The two Characters are written-up in
> Traditional Comic-Book Form…. Meaning they seem
> to be just learning their true potential as
> ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’….
>
> I’d say that these two Characters would be a
> good Game Match-Up with some of my P.W.R.
> Characters….
>
> P.W.R. Characters
>
> I know most people look at my Characters and say
> “Whoa, over-done with information over-load”

I'll take a look at those characters. Are there any in particular you'd like to submit to this thread?

Ummm yea I meant ‘Streak’…. And MindStorm…. (Not Force)…


Anyway


The thread probably will ‘Fail’ since we are all trying to Deem, Judge, and Understand really vague Character Concepts, with ‘Powers’ way beyond our comprehension….


I mean, we can go watch Top-Fuel Drag-Racers hit 300+MPH in less than 5 seconds, and act like we know something about it…

But really we do not Understand that sorta ‘Power’ until we sit behind the wheel…… And ‘Race’ that sorta Power against opponents who are equally as Powerful…..

And let’s not forget the F-1 Racers; hitting 250MPH on a ‘Complex’ twisted track…. HELLA ZOOM!!!


But at the same time it’s ‘COOL’ because you want to see what other people will say about your Gaming Characters…..


It’s probably why Table-Top Gaming is still played…. I mean 70% to 80% of human communication is done without ‘Written-Words’…


Anyway, Given with your Reply, it clears up some misconceptions about your two Characters…
But it’s still ‘Clear as Mud’…… LOL!!!

But ‘Streak’ and ‘MindStorm’ are 1200 Point Characters….. Now I want to edit ALL my characters and incorporate that CP system on them as well…. It’s a nice simple way of “BAM!!!!” that’s this guy’s overall ‘Power’ Level…


That’s why most of us are Discussing the X-Men Level Stuff….. We can ‘Understand’ that sorta stuff….

“Me, Thog… Me Club Jane in head with big stick… Jane go to sleep… Thog take Jane with less hassle…. I R smart”


My own Character Submissions????

Mmmmeeeehhh, never gave it 2 thoughts… I mean they’re all posted in one big thread and linked to my siggy….

Most of my Characters are geared for ‘Global’ or ‘Solar’ or ‘Galactic’ Combat (Munchkin-izm)…… If they don’t have ‘Powers’ packed in their batteries they have access to Star-Ships, Battle-Stations, Nuclear Cannons and crap like that….

Most of my characters are geared to team-up and take on a threat like Galactus…. I mean he’s a Ji-normous space worm that eats planets and disrupts solar systems…. “GOTTA KILL IT!!!”

OR… a threat like the Xenomorphs or Predators…. Those guys could take over the Whole Planet and kill off all of humanity….

Basically due to his ability to control Spacetime, Pacha has the ability to move freely thru time and space. As of right now he has just developed the abilities to teleport and move between dimensions. A by production of that is he has developed a defense mechanism that he does not exist at the exact point he is perceived hence the difficulty to hit him. Its kind of like he appears to be 2 feet from you but the distance is actually 4. I forget what the scientific name is for it. its sort of the same concept reed richards and hank pym had with that infinity room. The regeneration is again a by product of him being able to exist phasing in and out of spacetime (speed up body functions) and so would the damage transferral. The disruption power is sort of like that in reverse.

does that help?


Fangs Wrote:
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> Just out of curiosity can you explain how some of
> the above developed powerstunts actually work?

Hey punstar submit what ever you want. Maybe sugest a matchup.

OR… a threat like the Xenomorphs or Predators…. Those guys could take over the Whole Planet and kill off all of humanity….

Its funny that you mention that. They are currently running rampant in my game setting with the critters from pitch black.

Hey Powersurge, Punstar,
Do you think your homebrews are upto the challenge of a 1 to 3 matchup.

Hailing from unknown parts of the Milkyway Galaxy, this Alien has been tortured to extremes that would push most humaniods over the edge of insanity. Possibly the last of his kind this Hermaphrodite is one tough character. Versatile and innovative this Alien is a pint size powerhouse. Dont let his cuddly looks decieve you folks he is worth the entrance fee you paid to see this event.

With brown fur and purple trunks please give an Earthy Welcome to
F l a m i n g F o x



This Aliens opponents for this mini main event are a Trio of more established origins. Having answered an anonimous tip they have arrived here to confront this Alien Lets welcome:

Force
Powersurge
and
M o r n i n g - S t a r

Now ladies and gentlemen how do you think this will resolve.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2010 09:43AM by Fangs.

Flaming Fox vs. Powersurge, Force and Morningstar ...

Not much of a contest here. Flaming Fox would probably put up a fight for a few rounds, but ultimately, as with t is battle with the FF, Flaming Fox is out-manned and out-gunned.

Under the right conditions, eg. out in space, Morningstar alone would stand a good chance at beating Flaming Fox. Out in space he can tap pretty well the full potential of his solar absorption powers, giving him about 80 floating points to play with every round ... which can be used to heal, reinforce solid light structures/shields, increase his strength or photon blasts. With only 60 floating points at his disposal, Morningstar managed to (narrowly) defeat the Hulk! He also fought the homebrew uber-monstrosity, Rampage (created by a super-steroid that utilized Banner's adreniline), to a standstill for several rounds before finally being beaten down.

Rampage was something that could contend with a (moderate to fully) enraged Hulk. Yikes!

I could not find morning stars stats could you post them pls.

Let's say that the contest takes place on terra firma. Earth proper. Anyone out there that would want to run the battle?

OK… It’s time to get down on this and drop a Character in the mix…

I chose one of my more favorite and heavily Role-Played Characters…

Ray-Zin

Long Story Short…. He’s a Grizzled-up Army ‘Choppa’ Pilot, turned into a No-B.S. Cop, and now serves the CIA in a Covert ‘High-Tech’ Military Unit…

He is somewhat similar to ‘Iron-Man’ or a ‘WarHammer 40K Space Marine” and he pilots a Massive Humanoid Formed ‘TANK’ called ‘The B.A.S.H.’

He is pretty much designed for ‘Galactic’ (Munchkin-izm) Warfare in any conventional terrain, such as Aerial, Land, Ocean, and Moderate ‘Orbital’ Space….




GCI-Strike Force and SPEC-OPS

His Specs are about 1/4 down the list….

I’m just curious what you guys think he can hang with????